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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Building a better PHP together.
From: kris.craig@gmail.com (Kris Craig)

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>
>
> Here are some behaviors that are appropriate:
>  - Asking members of the list to vote on an RFC
>  - Politely disagreeing with someone's proposal
>  - Using a longer voting window than one week
>

I agree with all those points.  Unfortunately, I do not agree with the next
points....

>
> Here are some behaviors that are inappropriate:
>  - Asking members of the list to vote in a particular way
>

There's nothing inappropriate about that.  On the contrary, the whole point
of voting discussion is to persuade.  Asking people to support your
position in an open thread is a good thing.  Asking is not the same as
coercing.  And if somebody asked everyone to vote a certain way and you
have a problem with that, you're free to ask everyone not to vote that way.
 You both then make your respective cases and people decide for themselves.


>  - Dominating a mailing list discussion
>

I've been guilty of this on more than one occasion, though I'd like to
think I've done a fair job of muzzling myself after some complaints were
raised a few years ago.  However, it is worth noting that nothing is
stopping you from increasing your participation in a given thread.  People
like me do need to hold ourselves back when it seems we're doing just about
all the talking, but it is also incumbent on those who are feeling
"dominated" to step-up and participate with equal vigor.  I realize it's
not in some people's nature to speak-up, just as it's not in other people's
nature to keep quiet.  We both have to be willing to overcome our nature to
some extent when it comes to this.

 - Engaging in a heated debate
>

There is nothing inappropriate about this, either.  Heated debate is
inevitable on contentious issues.  It can be a bit uncomfortable for some,
but it is necessary.  So long as people remain civil and don't resort to
petty name-calling and whatnot, a heated discussion can be very
constructive.  So long as people disagree, there will be debate.  The
"heat" of that debate will be directly proportional to how strongly people
on opposing sides believe in their position.


> Lastly, I ask that people take a moment to reread our mailing list
> rules:
>
> http://git.php.net/?p=php-src.git;a=blob_plain;f=README.MAILINGLIST_RULES;hb=HEAD
>
> I hope by being polite, civil and fair we can build a better PHP
> together.
>

We agree on that.  =)

--Kris

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