Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:74320 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 2327 invoked from network); 17 May 2014 22:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 May 2014 22:33:26 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain sugarcrm.com designates 108.166.43.107 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 108.166.43.107 smtp107.ord1c.emailsrvr.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [108.166.43.107] ([108.166.43.107:48349] helo=smtp107.ord1c.emailsrvr.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E7/71-28415-5B3E7735 for ; Sat, 17 May 2014 18:33:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp6.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 090F09889A; Sat, 17 May 2014 18:33:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp6.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: smalyshev-AT-sugarcrm.com) with ESMTPSA id 83E5898865; Sat, 17 May 2014 18:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5377E3B2.7010709@sugarcrm.com> Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 15:33:22 -0700 Organization: SugarCRM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrea Faulds , Zeev Suraski CC: Levi Morrison , internals References: <46e6ebb1de57c25be1bb5eb3bdfab1b5@mail.gmail.com> <57E53747-4985-4273-9911-D09B4616A104@ajf.me> In-Reply-To: <57E53747-4985-4273-9911-D09B4616A104@ajf.me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Building a better PHP together. From: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com (Stas Malyshev) Hi! > I disagree. We should not have rallying cries on the list asking > people with no connection or opinion on something to vote a certain > way. That is unacceptable behaviour. People with no connection or opinion should not be voting at all. But if they do, they consider themselves to be interested and knowledgeable enough to form an opinion (at least I sincerely hope that's how it works since we presumably all are responsible adults here). Influencing opinions of others is the essence of the discussion - if not influencing others, why would we write to the list and discuss things? We could just silently vote and be done. Asking people to consider certain arguments and trying to influence their decisions is what discussions are for, it's their sole purpose. And what better place to do public discussion than the public list? -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ (408)454-6900 ext. 227