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To: Levi Morrison <levim@php.net>
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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Building a better PHP together.
From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski)

 > I think the heated and unhelpful debate on the "A call for help (urgent)"
is
> evidence enough to validate the stance of not asking members to vote in a
> particular way.

We may have to agree to disagree.  If this heated debate helped us avoid a
8% memory penalty (and a lot more as we move to phpng) - it was well worth
it.  We both know a 'I'll be voting yes/no because...' statement would have
been ignored, as substantially more extreme statements from both me and
Dmitry and perhaps others went ignored.

In a couple of years when this thread is long forgotten, there'll be
millions of servers out there benefitting from its results, keeping PHP
relevant.  Ultimately, that's the most important thing.

Zeev