Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:74302 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 72984 invoked from network); 17 May 2014 20:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 May 2014 20:29:02 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=zeev@zend.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=zeev@zend.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com from 209.85.128.174 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: zeev@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.128.174 mail-ve0-f174.google.com Received: from [209.85.128.174] ([209.85.128.174:39687] helo=mail-ve0-f174.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 9F/04-53190-D86C7735 for ; Sat, 17 May 2014 16:29:02 -0400 Received: by mail-ve0-f174.google.com with SMTP id jw12so4744291veb.19 for ; Sat, 17 May 2014 13:28:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :thread-index:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=hb2O0J79MlJFn7x+eA9sRbOKUCwLLN+B0A9eH/NvjEg=; b=fy/rHmHYhV21j5KUI3xE+vYAIrRDbITw9KgzKOMms3Hu96pOn+BFR5MTZtmh54M6hI yy8YiuMYHBfjveNBB7IL/8MUT20dicrVocLiFBOY9oqcathTimXEQIiNVtbhyogpEM9b MtxplS1AgpCuxz5FmOG3Fs7EQ+wZb49IJK25xO9iTKU77Q05r2P7vcy+1rD0eUBVoSA2 KsqPZa8o9w8YusiGJnwkL6SwE9NpLe/cHiCJP/pYAoLMFtqlLzWx/f/X2gTJsd7/QVtJ zqt8W0jf7nsbpPLNG1o8P0aUD1NrDDuKWQBDAxccdHFLZNXsEIRSkYFbHGEMfbFydbl6 V3hQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmjvxViRylWI8EIm196gSPgGyzZ2/zm0x7ljR7qncQ0EHCBCjtm2dhGgUmoRxZZtadyeOTLi4zr6PmuogiKIapi65WEnyy8Vgd3x/aEwZ1+tcr37hnv4lQ5beWYmI8baGCaXInC X-Received: by 10.52.11.230 with SMTP id t6mr3723116vdb.27.1400358539023; Sat, 17 May 2014 13:28:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <46e6ebb1de57c25be1bb5eb3bdfab1b5@mail.gmail.com> <57E53747-4985-4273-9911-D09B4616A104@ajf.me> In-Reply-To: <57E53747-4985-4273-9911-D09B4616A104@ajf.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQEi6UVUcXSEPIPlKn/YMRA/WwvlRwEsiiJ8Ak08JCqcgntnMA== Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 23:28:56 +0300 Message-ID: To: Andrea Faulds Cc: Levi Morrison , internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Building a better PHP together. From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski) > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrea Faulds [mailto:ajf@ajf.me] > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:21 PM > To: Zeev Suraski > Cc: Levi Morrison; internals > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Building a better PHP together. > > > On 17 May 2014, at 21:11, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > >> Here are some behaviors that are inappropriate: > >> - Asking members of the list to vote in a particular way > > > > There's actually nothing wrong with that. I absolutely don't think > > this should become a rule or a guideline. > > I disagree. We should not have rallying cries on the list asking people with no > connection or opinion on something to vote a certain way. That is unacceptable > behaviour. If it tries to create a legitimate connection and form an opinion (in this case, the fact that almost all engine maintainers oppose a patch that's about to be forced on them) - there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Zeev