Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:74301 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 71572 invoked from network); 17 May 2014 20:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 May 2014 20:25:03 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.216.171 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.216.171 mail-qc0-f171.google.com Received: from [209.85.216.171] ([209.85.216.171:57186] helo=mail-qc0-f171.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 6B/B3-53190-E95C7735 for ; Sat, 17 May 2014 16:25:02 -0400 Received: by mail-qc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id x13so6661335qcv.30 for ; Sat, 17 May 2014 13:25:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=l6w89gyM/7PTPMxBGBeflsZKOVXg+lQgx5uipwalD2E=; b=Zbgm98LjSrfe4svUY+RAl4ok/dfH6GlQIneHU+AWKbNAF+1GrSDTH1ioFPvYlmQLYl PkMEtokIkmjhwN1ikhvCaEWotS0LQYxVGXTPj8lJxe3sN92D+dvPlTpjRZPivKoHTdyL mHUrha0o0mtZ2bUuAldvuNpteLdMHHKUP+w8MZn6Et8XMyftNYTJuGFYGZ3bEuk1B3HG EvoMsF/w+Gl4NviLycLKI4P91vYGAztAUr+ofrGfCiAm1rUZdXLSOXyqAnMqXpxe8yCA 2CedWkbzb7t6ZdxX9OPXrUZpyDkkZwbYYgb11W249FNEjiKzVUxGgqPeDTR+TS5Qu6Tg OAuw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.91.5 with SMTP id y5mr35138157qgd.12.1400358300111; Sat, 17 May 2014 13:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.47.231 with HTTP; Sat, 17 May 2014 13:25:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4818449979808f1f4d0fcdc1409d9e04@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 22:25:00 +0200 Message-ID: To: Andrea Faulds Cc: Zeev Suraski , PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Proposal to increase the required majority for all RFCs From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote: > > On 17 May 2014, at 20:46, Zeev Suraski wrote: > >> Implementation changes don't fit in this RFC process too well. >> Implementation changes should be dealt with by those who own the >> implementation. > > I don=E2=80=99t and can=E2=80=99t agree with this. Zend changes will ulti= mately affect everyone. > > It is not just Zend maintainers who=E2=80=99ll be affected by the 64-bit = patch, for example. Everyone would, as it would increase PHP=E2=80=99s memo= ry usage. > > Also, I am unconvinced that just because the people who maintain Zend (sa= y) want something, that they are necessarily right. Cannot agree more here. php4 to php5 and the later versions have clearly show Zend blocking features that have beeb implemented later, loosing years in the process. RFCs provide a way to reach consensus and keep in touch with the reality of the PHP needs today and tomorrow. --=20 Pierre @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org