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Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 19:59:16 +0200
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To: Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] A call for help (urgent)
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

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On May 17, 2014 5:38 PM, "Zeev Suraski" <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
>
> On 17 =D7=91=D7=9E=D7=90=D7=99 2014, at 17:32, Andrea Faulds <ajf@ajf.me>=
 wrote:
>
>

>
> That has nothing to do with the fact applying this patch is morally wrong=
,
> and also may or may not be true.
>

Morally wrong? But doing months of Dev in secret while knowing that we work
on the same area is morally awesome?

>
> Unlike phpng, this is a tactical patch that while changes a lot of code,
is
> mostly about "dirty work" than research.

A hack over a hack remains a hack. With all respects to the authors and
what they achieved so far.

> Spinning phpng's work as something evil is as ridiculous as it is wrong.

Who said that?

>  Sabotaging it because of it is even worse.

Excuse me?


> You don't seem to realize what's going on here.  It won't delay it, it'll
> greatly slow it down, and given phpng is all about performance - it
negates

This is again wrong. It is not slow but a small memory usage increase. It
is even actually faster with the 64bit patch in many cases (based on
5.6+patch, phpng+patch coming as soon as I am done with making it portable)=
.

> For the current PHP it yields an 8% memory increase.

Wrong again. We show 4% increase.

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