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Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 19:14:58 +0200
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To: Andi Gutmans <andi@zend.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] phpng: Refactored PHP Engine with Big Performance Improvement
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

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On May 9, 2014 5:11 PM, "Andi Gutmans" <andi@zend.com> wrote:
>
> On May 8, 2014, at 11:54 PM, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Well, I think deprecating it would be pretty convincing :)
> >
> > I am -1 on that, in general. But we have RFCs so feel free to write
> > one to kill all SAPIs Zend does not care about in php-next :)
>
> With all due respect Pierre trying to win arguments by always pulling out
a =E2=80=9CZend=E2=80=9D card is irrelevant and wrong.
> We don=E2=80=99t pull out the Microsoft card on you every time you have a=
n
opinion.
> This is purely Zeev=E2=80=99s personal opinion. I respect it but I disagr=
ee with
it myself (personal opinion too).

Sorry but no. It is based on public statement on this list or other
channels. Confirmed by the numerous issues in patches in configuration not
in the company priority. I am not blaming Zend but it is slightly bad to
push this direction based on a limited view of the market.

> > However I would rather focus on developing next instead, and discussed
> > that in this thread or other :)
>
> And it=E2=80=99d be nice if you guys renamed the =E2=80=9CSubject:=E2=80=
=9D because this
discussion has nothing to do with the refactored PHP engine.

Ack :) moving on :)

> Would be great if folks could give it a spin, do some benchmarks and send
in results! :)

We are on it, once we fixed it to run in all supported configs :)

> Andi

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