Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:74102 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 26912 invoked from network); 9 May 2014 15:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 May 2014 15:11:42 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=andi@zend.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=andi@zend.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com from 209.85.192.175 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: andi@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.192.175 mail-pd0-f175.google.com Received: from [209.85.192.175] ([209.85.192.175:53287] helo=mail-pd0-f175.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 5B/A7-15882-C20FC635 for ; Fri, 09 May 2014 11:11:42 -0400 Received: by mail-pd0-f175.google.com with SMTP id x10so3773722pdj.34 for ; Fri, 09 May 2014 08:11:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=XwovYbzfMIk71Nz/RXaDsxGyht9eJWOgVWtu7uEr6A0=; b=ibIT6pMqtN5bE7/orTQrgPtgOdcNzCP+XwR7lGRJXKjS7ue6Eco3T6oDKomI6mY94q A+gL5G7oqrfe03O3J+6VjvDlCJfi4PWEMRnFimOB+BDgWkJFfioRwM7G6GaeUUeAOtKf btGmER1aK/3Z4qMJ+bXXEhsylp/RbolG111baqtENfppfz+j/PU7ZYWf3nbqXJU+oSD1 DAyTpw4oZXdz1m2Pb9bphMYIw8AlUU9GAVhYx6zaNXLLXsAzzOnPKUZLp02MbnFNcOwq JEHLBEiNxPQVj2b7L1sC/pAG4WEMo7eZSZdRlyMV6gZ0DDhK/5cly273I7R4yMxBYIhg FSNA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnIU5F7b0STqNqy/PgHkxhruw0qQ+eEnGH84M3mkG/pzkphcL6eKUW+TjPXJCSnqNlahMpDrpHg+Sonc25H/t8tOdiem0WQOhL4IjMG0mA1SLJB9P9yPc8bRXKKK1IXAKVzD9vt X-Received: by 10.66.149.102 with SMTP id tz6mr21432522pab.76.1399648297457; Fri, 09 May 2014 08:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.106.154] ([69.239.249.35]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ba5sm8067713pbc.61.2014.05.09.08.11.36 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 09 May 2014 08:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 08:11:34 -0700 Cc: Zeev Suraski , Rasmus Lerdorf , Andrea Faulds , Sebastian Bergmann , PHP internals Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <8AADE429-2813-413C-96B6-15FEBE829CD5@zend.com> References: <5369CED9.5010001@php.net> <4339111475046055305@unknownmsgid> <578A5A21-A820-42AD-A218-FB8049F63B82@zend.com> <3A72C770-9A9F-40C9-9DFE-F40478709BA8@ajf.me> <311084565853739035@unknownmsgid> <536BA9FE.1090408@lerdorf.com> <2c470224f5eca827363a3c5878bc709d@mail.gmail.com> <536C08E9.6090902@lerdorf.com> <2e899d0c507e0c82455341a5f9e6e08a@mail.gmail.com> To: Pierre Joye X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] phpng: Refactored PHP Engine with Big Performance Improvement From: andi@zend.com (Andi Gutmans) On May 8, 2014, at 11:54 PM, Pierre Joye wrote: > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Zeev Suraski wrote: >=20 >> Well, I think deprecating it would be pretty convincing :) >=20 > I am -1 on that, in general. But we have RFCs so feel free to write > one to kill all SAPIs Zend does not care about in php-next :) With all due respect Pierre trying to win arguments by always pulling = out a =93Zend=94 card is irrelevant and wrong. We don=92t pull out the Microsoft card on you every time you have an = opinion. This is purely Zeev=92s personal opinion. I respect it but I disagree = with it myself (personal opinion too). > However I would rather focus on developing next instead, and discussed > that in this thread or other :) And it=92d be nice if you guys renamed the =93Subject:=94 because this = discussion has nothing to do with the refactored PHP engine. Would be great if folks could give it a spin, do some benchmarks and = send in results! :) Andi=