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To: Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] About PHP6 ...
From: stuart@3ft9.com (Stuart Dallas)

On 3 Apr 2014, at 10:35, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote:

>> The short form is:
>>=20
>> We should not name the next version of PHP: PHP6, for 2 reasons:
>>    1. It will cause confusion in those least able to adapt
>>    2. It costs us nothing, hurts us in no way, to name it something =
else
>=20
> It hurts us. We were pathetic in our previous attempt for php 6, which
> by the way was never released nor existed. We will be clowns by
> skipping a version for some totally random reasons.

Just a few cents from a long-time lurker: I see huge value in standing =
up, saying publicly that it has been recognised that mistakes were made, =
that lessons have been learned, and that everything is being done to =
minimise any potentially confusing fallout. Do you really think that =
your embarrassment over what happened (that=92s how the above reads to =
me, sorry if that=92s not what you meant) should be a factor in any way =
at all?

The main (and possibly only) mistake, as identified elsewhere in this =
thread, was naming PHP 6 as v6 before it was ready for release. I think =
there=92s been enough leakage of features that are now associated with =
that name to make it reasonable to put the whole thing away and start =
fresh with PHP.next (likely PHP 7 by the time it=92s ready for release). =
And anyone who thinks it matters whose fault it is should maybe think =
about whether it=92s more important to assign blame or create a useful =
tool!

I also think it=92s incredibly naive to believe that any level of =
publicity campaign could adequately get the message out that the PHP 6 =
that has been released bears no resemblance to the PHP 6 that has been =
in discussion for the past 10 years. Several people have eluded to what =
the focus of internals development "should" be, and regardless of what =
the technical goals are surely the overriding goal should be to create a =
tool that helps people get stuff done.

I=92d happily wear clown make up for a month if I thought it would help =
even a handful of developers using my product avoid wasting time when it =
could have been avoided!

-Stuart

--=20
Stuart Dallas
3ft9 Ltd
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