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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] About PHP6 ...
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

Hi Eli,

On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Eli <eli@eliw.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone.  I've been hitting a lot of conferences recently, and
> found myself having the same discussion with multiple members of the
> community.  And many of them have 'heavily encouraged me' to bring this
> discussion up here.  And Julien's recent PHP6 email, reminded me that I
> hadn't done so.

It is amazing to see that the most important thing in php-next is the
version number.

> The short form is:
>
> We should not name the next version of PHP: PHP6, for 2 reasons:
>     1. It will cause confusion in those least able to adapt
>     2. It costs us nothing, hurts us in no way, to name it something else

It hurts us. We were pathetic in our previous attempt for php 6, which
by the way was never released nor existed. We will be clowns by
skipping a version for some totally random reasons.

Let put things in perspective:
- PHP 6-dev (the -dev part is important here) was killed 5 years ago
(or maybe more, did not check the exact time)
- book about it have been released, how it is remotely related to us
is a mistery but let consider them as valid...
  . Current idea is to get 6 out in ~ two years. Making these books
like 7-8 years old by the time php 6 will be released
  . The communication about the development of php 6 will outcome any
legacy results in google/bing and other
  . The couple of books still on sale are likely to be removed (if not
already, as I never saw one except ebook, and really, anyone buying 5
years old book in tech ...)

So in short, I really do not care about this version number. However I
do care about the success of PHP, how we are seen from the outside (in
case you do not realize it, we are bad, whether it is true or not is
irrelevant). I think we should go with the logical and mathematical
step, 5+1=6. The arguments about possible confusions refer to the few
who ever bought these books or read some 5 years old blog posts. Know
what? They will most likely focus on what we will communicate about
this next major version now and here, they care about what will
actually be done rather than some pointless marketing related moves.
The same kind of moves were often rejected or disregarded because
"nothing to do with php.net". The same argument applies.

On the other hand, I find disturbing than almost everyone
participating in this thread did not post a single reply, feedback, a
single idea or proposal about what we should do for the next major
release. Priorities anyone?

As a reminder, this is what we have so far, https://wiki.php.net/ideas/php6

I won't reply or argue in this thread or any other related to the
version number, this is totally irrelevant to me and only confirms the
total lack of understanding of our users needs right now. I apologize
for that or if I offend anyone here, but this mail targets us all, me
included. Time to focus on what matters and do not spend precious time
on such ridiculous discussions.

Cheers,
-- 
Pierre

@pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org