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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:29:08 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] About PHP6 ...
From: nikita.ppv@gmail.com (Nikita Popov)

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On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Eli <eli@eliw.com> wrote:

>  On 4/2/14, 3:50 PM, Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote:
>
>  and since PHP6 was due many years ago, I doubt many of those books still
> are in print and how many books could there be around still, I get that
> someone would feel angry over buying a book about features available in a
> non existing version, but that should be on the authors behalf, not ours
> while I realise this will hurt us a little
>
>
> Kalle, thanks for responding.  I believe however you missed the part in my
> original message where I pointed out that in fact a large number of these
> books are still in print.  And no 'campaign' from us is going to stop a
> publisher from continuing to sell a book they've already invested in, which
> costs them nothing to continue to sell.
>
> And once other books are out, they will sit equally.
>

They will not sit equally. If someone buys a PHP 6 book and finds out that
half the code in there doesn't actually work on PHP 6, it's going to get a
1 star review on Amazon and the issue takes care of itself.

Also, I have some doubts that calling this release PHP 7 will be any
significant help with the issue: Assume that we call it PHP 7 and it was
just released. There are no books about it yet. So if someone looks for a
current PHP book and there's nothing about PHP 7, then what's he going to
buy? The next closest thing, namely a PHP 6 book. Nice, we're back at the
same problem, just with messed up versioning.

The PHP 7 name could only show benefits in the long term, to distinguish
from the old books. However, as already said, at that point we're back at
the reviews ;) Presumably a newer book about the actually released PHP 6
version would have higher ratings (unless its crap, of course).

TL;DR I don't think this is a big issue in the first place, but even
assuming that it is, the usual review system should take care of it by
itself. Also calling it PHP 7 won't really solve the problem anyways.

Nikita

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