Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:73531 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 78132 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2014 19:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Apr 2014 19:50:42 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=kalle.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=kalle.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.219.43 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: kalle.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.219.43 mail-oa0-f43.google.com Received: from [209.85.219.43] ([209.85.219.43:54997] helo=mail-oa0-f43.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 9A/00-11770-11A6C335 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2014 14:50:41 -0500 Received: by mail-oa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id eb12so860186oac.30 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2014 12:50:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=R34JgCRa9N0blYP7a690L2zRjVrPdQV/6guHgPYFuU0=; b=J/mKW+Tp4LXZeL6aAKHzbKHrW6x+UG5QigZzkcyGgjty03MLOLVSJh8QpHVJ0xprYX Zg2BZINjxmryezq2xKFVq+sCO7f+kJuDXbdXMfFpSJvul2cDNPuXE6/7Gu/margjQKo6 rfCJ7cWR5Ife8gEdc3XkMgx43/Cm1v4HPaPsAonsSTrfsWY22FJgnGl9drQGvbVtqyfV xl+B3adr6pf7z5SEvZvW5l+5oojEy87Wp9GUpmlSxme62vNmcTaAFMA975FFihfl3aKj /h8xaIxTtFXMj0PhYNKVdrUAU1uXjL0fudWE0rT6n/JNOT725ZrvRshVQ0Y2MZ5kkyPp pmWg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.141.70 with SMTP id rm6mr1617359oeb.27.1396468236641; Wed, 02 Apr 2014 12:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: kalle.php@gmail.com Received: by 10.76.82.5 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 12:50:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <533C0713.9070106@eliw.com> References: <533C0713.9070106@eliw.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 21:50:36 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b55zNySg-Szvz2NIEWNweBup4-I Message-ID: To: Eli Cc: Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] About PHP6 ... From: kalle@php.net (Kalle Sommer Nielsen) Hi 2014-04-02 14:48 GMT+02:00 Eli : > Hello everyone. I've been hitting a lot of conferences recently, and > found myself having the same discussion with multiple members of the > community. And many of them have 'heavily encouraged me' to bring this > discussion up here. And Julien's recent PHP6 email, reminded me that I > hadn't done so. I disagree with the regard to not call it PHP6, if we together with our community put together an effort to squish out the PHP6 books, like we did when we tried to push PHP5 over PHP4, then there it should not be a problem, and since PHP6 was due many years ago, I doubt many of those books still are in print and how many books could there be around still, I get that someone would feel angry over buying a book about features available in a non existing version, but that should be on the authors behalf, not ours while I realise this will hurt us a little, we have already faced the fact that we made a mistake with the old unicode implementation and we live with that, 5.4, 5.5 and 5.6 shows that. I just don't think that some books written 8 years or so ago will justify the need for us to change version numbers, we can advertise against them and we all should, I have when I'm asked about books and future development of PHP6 and will continue to do so, everyone should, teaming up with PHP FIG, and all of the frameworks is a good idea here to prevent many more books getting in the hands of readers whom will learn about something that does not exists. -- regards, Kalle Sommer Nielsen kalle@php.net