Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:73529 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 73568 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2014 18:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Apr 2014 18:45:19 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=eli@eliw.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=eli@eliw.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain eliw.com designates 69.195.198.246 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: eli@eliw.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 69.195.198.246 mx-mia-1.servergrove.com Received: from [69.195.198.246] ([69.195.198.246:47414] helo=mx-mia-1.servergrove.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F2/62-60619-DBA5C335 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2014 13:45:18 -0500 Received: from [69.195.222.232] (helo=smtp1.servergrove.com) by mx-mia-1.servergrove.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1WVQ9U-00027t-S3; Wed, 02 Apr 2014 18:44:44 +0000 Received: from [69.140.213.111] (helo=crossbow.local) by smtp1.servergrove.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WVQ90-0001lz-Ja; Wed, 02 Apr 2014 18:44:14 +0000 Message-ID: <533C5A7D.8020405@eliw.com> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 14:44:13 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikita Popov CC: PHP internals References: <533C0713.9070106@eliw.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9oBK2F7sXQtcVGV5KLDX1LOa2OT5L9n0I" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] About PHP6 ... From: eli@eliw.com (Eli) --9oBK2F7sXQtcVGV5KLDX1LOa2OT5L9n0I Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000607000307020401080103" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000607000307020401080103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 4/2/14, 1:57 PM, Nikita Popov wrote: > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Eli > wrote: > > Hello everyone. I've been hitting a lot of conferences recently, a= nd > found myself having the same discussion with multiple members of th= e > community. And many of them have 'heavily encouraged me' to bring > this > discussion up here. And Julien's recent PHP6 email, reminded me > that I > hadn't done so. > > The short form is: > > We should not name the next version of PHP: PHP6, for 2 reasons: > 1. It will cause confusion in those least able to adapt > 2. It costs us nothing, hurts us in no way, to name it > something else > > > There is potential for confusion regardless of what we do. If it's PHP > 6, we get conflicts with existing literature. If it's PHP 7, this will > lead to confusion about a version number being skipped. (Which is imho > a pretty big wtf moment.) > > I find it quite ridiculous to break our versioning scheme over this > kind of nonesense. Nikita, thank you for your feedback. I would like to point out a major difference between these levels of confusion here: 1. We name it PHP6, people who try to find information on PHP6, find old books and old articles, read them, think they are accurate, learn incorrect/wrong information, and get extremely frustrated when nothing they are trying to do works. They will be taught bad information.=20 Things will not work. Worst case, they give up on PHP completely because of it. 2. We name it PHP7, A majority of the 'non-connected' just see the latest version and upgrade. The majority of the connected, understand.=20 Then there are some people go: "huh? what happened to PHP6", so they google, and will find the story. At no point does anyone who is attempting to learn, get taught incorrect material. I would much rather have a few people go 'huh? What happened to 6'.=20 =2E.. Then have people paying money for books, supporting authors who 'jumped the gun', for ancient information that is incorrect. Thanks, Eli --=20 | Eli White | http://eliw.com/ | Twitter: EliW | --------------000607000307020401080103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 4/2/14, 1:57 PM, Nikita Popov wrote:
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Eli = <eli@eliw.c= om> wrote:
Hello everyone. =C2=A0I've been hitting a lot of conference= s recently, and
found myself having the same discussion with multiple members of the
community. =C2=A0And many of them have 'heavily encouraged = me' to bring this
discussion up here. =C2=A0And Julien's recent PHP6 email, reminded me that I
hadn't done so.

The short form is:

We should not name the next version of PHP: PHP6, for 2 reasons:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1. It will cause confusion in those least abl= e to adapt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 2. It costs us nothing, hurts us in no way, t= o name it something else

There is potential for confusion regardless of what we do. If it's PHP 6, we get conflicts with existing literature. If it's PHP 7, this will lead to confusion about a version number being skipped. (Which is imho a pretty big wtf moment.)

I find it quite ridiculous to break ou= r versioning scheme over this kind of nonesense.

Nikita, thank you for your feedback.=C2=A0 I would like to point out = a major difference between these levels of confusion here:

1. We name it PHP6, people who try to find information on PHP6, find old books and old articles, read them, think they are accurate, learn incorrect/wrong information, and get extremely frustrated when nothing they are trying to do works.=C2=A0 They will be taught bad information.=C2=A0 Things will not work.=C2=A0 Worst case, they give = up on PHP completely because of it.

2. We name it PHP7, A majority of the 'non-connected' just see the latest version and upgrade.=C2=A0 The majority of the connected, understand.=C2=A0 Then there are some people go: "huh?=C2=A0 what hap= pened to PHP6", so they google, and will find the story.=C2=A0=C2=A0 At no poi= nt does anyone who is attempting to learn, get taught incorrect material.
=
I would much rather have a few people go 'huh?=C2=A0 What happened to= 6'.=C2=A0 ... Then have people paying money for books, supporting aut= hors who 'jumped the gun', for ancient information that is incorrect.

Thanks,
Eli


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