Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:73378 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 89144 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2014 10:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Mar 2014 10:14:50 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ivan.enderlin@hoa-project.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ivan.enderlin@hoa-project.net; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain hoa-project.net from 95.130.10.56 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ivan.enderlin@hoa-project.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 95.130.10.56 host1.ip6-networks.net Received: from [95.130.10.56] ([95.130.10.56:47895] helo=host1.ip6-networks.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id FA/B4-63501-89500335 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 05:14:49 -0500 Received: from Hwhost2.local (184-175.106-92.cust.bluewin.ch [92.106.175.184]) by host1.ip6-networks.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C70CE609D7 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:14:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <53300595.5060407@hoa-project.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:14:45 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:30.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/30.0a2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <532FF7B9.5040700@hoa-project.net> <1395653827.9365.9.camel@guybrush> <1395654744.9365.17.camel@guybrush> <1395655474.9365.25.camel@guybrush> In-Reply-To: <1395655474.9365.25.camel@guybrush> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Specification From: ivan.enderlin@hoa-project.net ("Ivan Enderlin @ Hoa") On 24/03/2014 11:04, Johannes Schl=C3=BCter wrote: > On Mon, 2014-03-24 at 10:55 +0100, Pierre Joye wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Johannes Schl=C3=BCter >> wrote: >> >>> In my opinion it is a good thing that PHP is powerful enough to enabl= e >>> frameworks etc. to innovate around the core language. The core langua= ge >>> has to be a reliable and stable. >> Agreed, but I was not clear. I refer to core features like what we can= >> find in hhvm, hack, more recently the JVM compiler or similar >> projects. Many features which have nothing to do with the engine they >> use should have been available in the core since long. > If anybody (being a contributor to a clone or some "user") sees anythin= g > in any implementation that they want to be part of PHP they can under > the RFC process. > > If anybody thinks there is need for a specification they can start > writing it and look for help and review. > > Statements that something "should" be done by "somebody" won't work in = a > volunteer project. This is exactly my approach. I am starting a thread to discuss about it, = and I don't ask =E2=80=9Csomebody=E2=80=9D to do this, I am just exchangi= ng an idea. I=20 could be a volunteer to start such a project (in few months), but at=20 first, I have created this subject to gather opinions. > With that this discussion is finished for me. If anybody wants to > reiterate this we can do this off list, not taking time from others wit= h > a meta discussion giving no results. Why such a reaction? Did you take my idea as offensive? Why declaring=20 this subject as =E2=80=9Cmeta discussion giving not results=E2=80=9D? We = are just=20 speaking about it for 1 hour ago=E2=80=A6 Best regards. --=20 Ivan Enderlin Developer of Hoa http://hoa-project.net/ PhD. student at DISC/Femto-ST (Vesontio) and INRIA (Cassis) http://disc.univ-fcomte.fr/ and http://www.inria.fr/ Member of HTML and WebApps Working Group of W3C http://w3.org/