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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Specification
From: ivan.enderlin@hoa-project.net ("Ivan Enderlin @ Hoa")

On 24/03/2014 10:42, Pierre Joye wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Johannes Schl=C3=BCter
> <johannes@schlueters.de> wrote:
>> On Mon, 2014-03-24 at 10:15 +0100, Ivan Enderlin @ Hoa wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Finally, I think that internal@ is responsible to start such a
>>> standardization process because this group has made the historical
>>> interpreter.
>> It is building the reference implementation. If other implementations
>> add new features they can and they can propose it for inclusion in the=

>> reference implementation by which it becomes part of the language
>> definition. While old parts of the implementation are only documented =
in
>> code and reference documentation form the RFC process provides more
>> architectural of new features.
> Agreed on the contributions process, however:
>
> Ivan is talking about specifications, an implementation follows a
> given specification, not the other way 'round. A well written
> specification greatly simplify documentations, implementation(s) and
> testing, to name only a few advantages.
+1. You have understood me.


> That being said, I find very disturbing the total lack of interest
> from historical (from a time pov, not activity) core developers in the
> next major version.
I don't know the reason. It is related to the vision/goal of PHP, to the =

code? Without an answer to this question, we can't fix it.


> Most drastic changes around PHP happen outside
> PHP, many features our users are looking for are implemented outside
> the core while we keep arguing about the needs of these features. This
> is not a good thing.
I deeply think that a specification will gather people around the same=20
goal. RFC already do this job, but we need to go further.

--=20
Ivan Enderlin
Developer of Hoa
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