Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:72988 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 36545 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2014 08:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Mar 2014 08:52:06 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 217.147.176.204 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 217.147.176.204 mail4.serversure.net Linux 2.6 Received: from [217.147.176.204] ([217.147.176.204:57341] helo=mail4.serversure.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 6C/31-27298-4B889135 for ; Fri, 07 Mar 2014 03:52:05 -0500 Received: (qmail 2874 invoked by uid 89); 7 Mar 2014 08:52:02 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.3.1 ppid: 2865, pid: 2869, t: 0.0585s scanners: attach: 1.3.1 clamav: 0.96/m:52 Received: from unknown (HELO linux-dev4.lsces.org.uk) (lester@rainbowdigitalmedia.org.uk@81.138.11.136) by mail4.serversure.net with ESMTPA; 7 Mar 2014 08:52:02 -0000 Message-ID: <531988C4.8070308@lsces.co.uk> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2014 08:52:20 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:27.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/27.0 SeaMonkey/2.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <53176168.50305@lerdorf.com> <5318E1C5.1000103@sugarcrm.com> In-Reply-To: <5318E1C5.1000103@sugarcrm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP6 thoughts about Engine changes From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Stas Malyshev wrote: > I think if we try to bite off too much we've end up where Unicode effort > ended - a lot of work ending up in achieving nothing. I think we need to > have a plan of something that can realistically be done in, say, a year > or two, and that makes common users (ones that don't care how exactly > our parsing library is called but have thousands upon thousands of lines > of code to upgrade and thousands of developers to adopt it) be eager to > buy into it, something that makes their lives immediately better and > worth the pain of the upgrade. And there are good examples outside PHP that prove the point :) Just been playing with another 'python' powered package that is still P2 because the developer does not have time to do all the work involved to move to P3. Just how many important PHP applications are still stuck pre PHP5.4 and need some TLC to bring them forward ... It is irritating that we have to work with quite so many different languages. It would be nice if PHP was tidy enough to be the single base for web based services! -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk