Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:72669 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 11894 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2014 23:00:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Feb 2014 23:00:34 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=nilsandre@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=nilsandre@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.128.179 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: nilsandre@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.128.179 mail-ve0-f179.google.com Received: from [209.85.128.179] ([209.85.128.179:64947] helo=mail-ve0-f179.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id AB/89-64799-19492035 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:00:34 -0500 Received: by mail-ve0-f179.google.com with SMTP id jx11so12528953veb.24 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:00:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=E96odApjr1yhfP0C9RiQxj13FjKpgNjyq+/qWNOK1/Q=; b=KcIL6B0kyoV8+tauhp1KD4UFjs8tmIavF37szSWYUWmNoG2B3OfUq3lCnUNg22w2oh 0Pwfbo615ittX7qVzT5KG2pbvv5gUU7rh9sMPpwy2EFTR/0P8KB6D/LlZSt5gf0Oos8j Gkwu5s+jf7OrAhApY1BUfEXWo/T49HGxTQqjHtdPHjHWPgSxRzCNexGcXm1sTagm3XzG CLsDXfuMexXSzXKVOR9OrBEG8UZq/XRJF9gNhak+9DXemh6EUwqTJAit47VYriQgsEkX XxTlO6lvfVkh4MO4vjEN7GAWjzhrXXhDhR0K6ujP9B4C8AQLTH2eoNZJHRThXwu3GISR fXQg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.47.10 with SMTP id l10mr43691vcf.56.1392678030886; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:00:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.68.232 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:00:30 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: nilsandre@gmx.de In-Reply-To: <1392675539.3990.345.camel@guybrush> References: <1392661082.3990.265.camel@guybrush> <530278EE.3000008@ralphschindler.com> <1392671871.3990.303.camel@guybrush> <53028096.9040603@ralphschindler.com> <1392675539.3990.345.camel@guybrush> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 00:00:30 +0100 Message-ID: To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johannes_Schl=FCter?= Cc: Ralph Schindler , PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] my take on PHP 6, part 2 From: nilsandre@gmail.com (Nils Andre) Let's add my feedback on what seems realistic on what you, Johannes, nicely pointed out as a "vision" I like a lot, and me not going into details: I expect endless discussions on either to pronounce either like in "ethernet" or as in "I-there", and that for every aspect, artefact, paradigm, underlying library, language or come what may, with everyone finally becoming personal, affronting or rude towards the other point of view. So, folks, this is how I sum up your list, having read you for a year. Please, please, please do it differently, which would be both kind and nice and see that you actually can do better. Nils (moving forward to Java, more and more) 2014-02-17 23:18 GMT+01:00 Johannes Schl=FCter : > On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 15:35 -0600, Ralph Schindler wrote: >> > And I want to remind about my typical opinion: We should try to requir= e >> > as little extensions as possible and do as many things as possible (in= a >> > usable way) in userland. If we spend time on making PHP faster we redu= ce >> > the need for extensions even more. >> >> You're assuming the target implementation is trivial, or even possible. > > I know extensions are needed. Still I think PHP is powerful and often > (often !=3D always) fast enough. > > johannes > > > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >