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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] __debugInfo()
From: cryptocompress@googlemail.com (Crypto Compress)


> It still feels to me that someone debugging the implementation of the 
> object, rather than its interaction with the system, would have plenty 
> of opportunity to by-pass / remove the hook anyway.

What about a phar? It's not easy nor fast to change X times 
__debugInfo() methods.