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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] __debugInfo()
From: cryptocompress@googlemail.com (Crypto Compress)

Am 11.02.2014 22:58, schrieb Johannes Schlüter:
> On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 22:44 +0100, Crypto Compress wrote:
>> Sorry! We talk at cross purposes:
>> - reflection is not changed
>> - (array)$this is possible
>>
>> This is currently not needed nor related to var_dump(). This RFC changes
>> var_dump/print_r output without a bypass option. Hacks are needed to get
>> current behavior back. Indeed it may be possible to replace
>> var_dump/print_r with something. This discussion is about this issue.
> Yes that is the purpose of this RFC and that voters have to decide
> about: evaluate risk of abuse vs. making unreadable results usable.
>
> johannes
>
>

No, it's not about risk of abuse. There can be *only* abuse!
This hook is only intended to hide debug information. If you don't want 
to hide info, you don't need this hook.
Debug info is *important*! Do not hide it without a option to bypass!

Why not make it an enhancement to poor man's debugger and add a 
proper/easy/fast bypass option in this RFC?



Am 05.02.2014 21:54, schrieb Sara Golemon:
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Crypto Compress
> <cryptocompress@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> It's not easy nor fast to change output of a whole object graph.
>>
> Oh, I see what you were getting at now.  Yeah, that would be onerous
> if you found yourself in that position.  Might be a good idea to do a
> followup RFC to introduce an INI setting.  I'm not keen on adding a
> new method, that kind of misses the point of the original hook.
>
> -Sara