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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] __debugInfo()
From: cryptocompress@googlemail.com (Crypto Compress)

Am 11.02.2014 22:12, schrieb Johannes Schlüter:
> On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 22:05 +0100, Crypto Compress wrote:
>>> You can still see "the truth" via reflection and by using a proper debugger (like xdebug, I assume)
>>>
>> Reflection is mentioned in RFC. Sadly it does not solve the problem.
>> Replaced output is *not* bypassable without external tools
>> (xdebug/phpdbg). If i'am wrong correct me.
> ReflectionObject provides access to an object and its properties. This
> is not going to change in case this is accepted. It will be extended toe
> able to *also* provide this debug info, this doesn't affect
> ReflectionObject::getProperty() etc., though.
>
> johannes
>
>

Sorry! We talk at cross purposes:
- reflection is not changed
- (array)$this is possible

This is currently not needed nor related to var_dump(). This RFC changes 
var_dump/print_r output without a bypass option. Hacks are needed to get 
current behavior back. Indeed it may be possible to replace 
var_dump/print_r with something. This discussion is about this issue.