Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:72474 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 23275 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2014 21:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Feb 2014 21:06:18 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=cryptocompress@googlemail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=cryptocompress@googlemail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain googlemail.com designates 209.85.212.172 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: cryptocompress@googlemail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.212.172 mail-wi0-f172.google.com Received: from [209.85.212.172] ([209.85.212.172:49074] helo=mail-wi0-f172.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C4/AC-62230-9C09AF25 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:06:17 -0500 Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id e4so5366376wiv.5 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:06:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7QTaKyrsqcl1QJlj3reL2KeVDT+euNSUmANHZiWNV18=; b=FFgH0bQ8VTUpYGqYKp80oM5NTUUxHiJYIfAQ3e8pv3M33Jm5UXo8I6cPKAaJUY8yMR jSuHlkEVjovFA2R3oNw44nIPtEbop7DS7gXZUAv+7ArkURImvEAV/y5b9EqbY2fB7bnL F6A/AuczSMEq6fV9Yrd9vdrZX5pz2BHkejmcEJT3+weMpvIf7F+GDLBddFedGR4Lmh/K g7K070hsEtTkbwg2wqyB7XUxlk/3o3FhTk+PQ5At/GhkZjAqzqeHuwP+AB0JLY7jsvsC 3x4XkEyTqwnA2K3xIe0TqcXxRtKz2pFhgDvm7rNjRMZG4dBjhDO9cCxtq0KbTqhIk9tb RdtQ== X-Received: by 10.181.13.11 with SMTP id eu11mr165644wid.30.1392152774610; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (mnch-5d8774be.pool.mediaWays.net. [93.135.116.190]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hy8sm46769747wjb.2.2014.02.11.13.06.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:06:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52FA90B3.5040205@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 22:05:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9oYW5uZXMgU2NobMO8dGVy?= CC: Derick Rethans , PHP Developers Mailing List References: <52F00437.7010903@googlemail.com> <52FA71FE.8060808@googlemail.com> <1392151967.3990.11.camel@guybrush> In-Reply-To: <1392151967.3990.11.camel@guybrush> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] __debugInfo() From: cryptocompress@googlemail.com (Crypto Compress) > You can still see "the truth" via reflection and by using a proper debugger (like xdebug, I assume) > Reflection is mentioned in RFC. Sadly it does not solve the problem. Replaced output is *not* bypassable without external tools (xdebug/phpdbg). If i'am wrong correct me.