Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:72473 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 21298 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2014 20:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Feb 2014 20:54:19 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain sugarcrm.com designates 108.166.43.123 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 108.166.43.123 smtp123.ord1c.emailsrvr.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [108.166.43.123] ([108.166.43.123:56277] helo=smtp123.ord1c.emailsrvr.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id CD/3C-62230-9FD8AF25 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:54:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp8.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3B83E1A0202; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:54:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp8.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: smalyshev-AT-sugarcrm.com) with ESMTPSA id CECE51A01C9; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:54:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <52FA8DF6.7020108@sugarcrm.com> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:54:14 -0800 Organization: SugarCRM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Crypto Compress , PHP Developers Mailing List References: <52F00437.7010903@googlemail.com> <52F005E6.6090702@googlemail.com> <52F0D36B.7010905@googlemail.com> <52F29880.6050304@googlemail.com> <52F29B04.9080609@googlemail.com> <52F9D766.1090902@googlemail.com> <52FA6C08.5050207@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <52FA6C08.5050207@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] __debugInfo() From: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com (Stas Malyshev) Hi! > Usecase #2: new maintainer > Hunting bug in proxy object. No way to dump internals at all. Wait what? That's exactly what would routinely happen with this proposal. People would use __debugInfo to pretty-print their object structure, and then discover they actually have no way to know what's *really* there when their pretty-printer does not work or does not supply needed information. So they would eventually ask for real_var_dump(). -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ (408)454-6900 ext. 227