Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:72472 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 19893 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2014 20:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Feb 2014 20:52:59 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=johannes@schlueters.de; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=johannes@schlueters.de; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain schlueters.de from 217.114.215.10 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: johannes@schlueters.de X-Host-Fingerprint: 217.114.215.10 mail.experimentalworks.net Received: from [217.114.215.10] ([217.114.215.10:42958] helo=mail.experimentalworks.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B9/EB-62230-8AD8AF25 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:52:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.31] (ppp-88-217-77-138.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.77.138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: johannes@schlueters.de) by mail.experimentalworks.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E86783FE8F; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 21:53:32 +0100 (CET) To: Crypto Compress Cc: Derick Rethans , PHP Developers Mailing List In-Reply-To: <52FA71FE.8060808@googlemail.com> References: <52F00437.7010903@googlemail.com> <52FA71FE.8060808@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 21:52:47 +0100 Message-ID: <1392151967.3990.11.camel@guybrush> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] __debugInfo() From: johannes@schlueters.de (Johannes =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schl=FCter?=) On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 19:54 +0100, Crypto Compress wrote: > > __ method names are reserved for internals. There is no BC break. > > Yes, there is however an expectation break but thats not the Point. May > even be useful. > > Imagine a mock library: > > Usecase #1: end-user > Sees only immediate useful data. No cluttered object graph. Very useful! > > Usecase #2: new maintainer > Hunting bug in mock object. No way to var_dump object internals at all. > Wait what? This is still no BC break in PHP but probably bad usage. You can still see "the truth" via reflection and by using a proper debugger (like xdebug, I assume) johannes