Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:72463 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 3546 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2014 18:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Feb 2014 18:29:50 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=cryptocompress@googlemail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=cryptocompress@googlemail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain googlemail.com designates 209.85.212.171 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: cryptocompress@googlemail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.212.171 mail-wi0-f171.google.com Received: from [209.85.212.171] ([209.85.212.171:62286] helo=mail-wi0-f171.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id CB/A8-62230-D1C6AF25 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:29:50 -0500 Received: by mail-wi0-f171.google.com with SMTP id cc10so4997186wib.4 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:29:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3S5IIEykfBcjrzCjkZUkdTk807VVTDQ0wKQ1u17+roQ=; b=bQmg0IrGYcu+7JOPKZXiqVYsHzCxr6Ymb/HZLWF+rt303VYXck614fHvC7HvxxzY95 lHgpmL1iXltOo7MPagjF19jUpLV88KZu9lat0EoE2gRtWvyWQpXLQwZyEOysNfkPI0qB odZiX89nREJ5S/GUlLJOOiB/QIaHEYsStwNe04SbVxh9vIXZVRjg/EAqRP2B9L+SOVls TQ4xJLIPO9DPQSpnBQ3u1Mz/cspFwZ4ZlU4xSXRft3SFl644rFmocH7T2uEvUmNThIGF k1ZjoK5KX4gtxciawIHQW72hYzSDBAT/pfQA18WHxmy0HyIg9+tYSZdhAHPlpBhAUtBL YNbw== X-Received: by 10.194.60.16 with SMTP id d16mr2823900wjr.46.1392143387302; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (mnch-5d8774be.pool.mediaWays.net. [93.135.116.190]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id jd2sm45882772wic.9.2014.02.11.10.29.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:29:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52FA6C08.5050207@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 19:29:28 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sara Golemon , PHP Developers Mailing List References: <52F00437.7010903@googlemail.com> <52F005E6.6090702@googlemail.com> <52F0D36B.7010905@googlemail.com> <52F29880.6050304@googlemail.com> <52F29B04.9080609@googlemail.com> <52F9D766.1090902@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <52F9D766.1090902@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] __debugInfo() From: cryptocompress@googlemail.com (Crypto Compress) Imagine a proxy object (orm). Usecase #1: end-user Sees only proxied object. No cluttered object graph. Very useful! Usecase #2: new maintainer Hunting bug in proxy object. No way to dump internals at all. Wait what?