Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:72108 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 14125 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2014 19:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Feb 2014 19:44:05 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rdlowrey@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rdlowrey@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.223.177 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rdlowrey@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.223.177 mail-ie0-f177.google.com Received: from [209.85.223.177] ([209.85.223.177:35103] helo=mail-ie0-f177.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B3/4E-35654-381FFE25 for ; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 14:44:03 -0500 Received: by mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id at1so6294765iec.8 for ; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 11:44:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=2+HIhOW+8oDCtwbbenFSXg5uwcpMlH9vIG0xjhX39Xo=; b=T8zv4twTQ0gf5PlGibI9F+I+kp1BIbc3JSsay7MuFUBJAheAjFbzP7DWPQVvMQAxTR il4aECByQn+RLbV0r3CGOgjR5UK/Zflm8y2UjV6ihJMO2Mz0TWm65061kxEaSbVzo6kE CgoPvZ/NBd/vpUAnPQ4VwEqkjr6cMG967hAYyqGp78uHbyY/nAqOu/NIfMJAPtMv/V6c uJcG+U0LGmIoEVieZDojCschKTL3Z6dVR+FPhsmetEBSeo5wwYqVYf5jj+jFt76KNnfw kF10kw/Ayw+ThI87FZlt1geR2/UhPAqKUoehcNlfuQK9p/EsaGZAvmKoYsbIkojLXZss xOnA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.109.132 with SMTP id hs4mr13821538igb.34.1391456641239; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 11:44:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.29.140 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 11:44:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <344075933.20140203143339@figureone.com> References: <344075933.20140203143339@figureone.com> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 14:44:01 -0500 Message-ID: To: Sanford Whiteman Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" , swhitemanlistens-software@cypressintegrated.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013a1d90d24f8a04f185be2f Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Windows Peer Verification From: rdlowrey@gmail.com (Daniel Lowrey) --089e013a1d90d24f8a04f185be2f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Sanford Whiteman wrote: > > I'm totally in agreement with everything you've said. There is no > "learning > > curve." The only thing required for a secure transfer in this case is the > > knowledge that: > > > (1) You need a CA to verify that the other party is who they say they are > > (2) As such, you have to tell PHP about the CA file(s) you want it to > use. > > No. I'm still completely befuddled. No one is arguing against ease-of use here. Have you read the relevant RFCs? Please just take sixty seconds to at least read this one part then come back and tell me I'm making it *more difficult* for the average user to make secure transfers. https://wiki.php.net/rfc/improved-tls-defaults#tldr_definitive_progress I'm clearly trying to simplify secure https:// usage as much as possible. What *may or may not be tenable* is the management of a custom CA file. Distribution has its own issues and deserves as much consideration as userland ease-of use. Instantly discounting those is a myopic approach. You can't just instantly rule out that bundling a file might not be feasible. --089e013a1d90d24f8a04f185be2f--