Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:72008 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 6251 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2014 17:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Feb 2014 17:37:58 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rdlowrey@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rdlowrey@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.223.171 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rdlowrey@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.223.171 mail-ie0-f171.google.com Received: from [209.85.223.171] ([209.85.223.171:33405] helo=mail-ie0-f171.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E9/00-30967-5728EE25 for ; Sun, 02 Feb 2014 12:37:58 -0500 Received: by mail-ie0-f171.google.com with SMTP id as1so5801851iec.30 for ; Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:37:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=g0mzpfWbg4wsbncxYdsLMnyjPTmJraKTF4AszO3E0Oc=; b=XF4DZO+7tFQzZqWKnXnolNHFxt8mXRR8YKok40X1R++kpRkiNDmYzGbcHcNqbFHsdq /ubsh9AbC7P1yB+hEzTkPsbXQUi8wV13BL9piOT3DLbtIUEqXBYZMCilU/nS13CasBaz T8+vF/TXiyTfDVJnJeQ9Hg7Kz1E4siLSKKfaffQP5UMlkK7TsS5RpzKk6dkHnHV1DI7j LiQWtG6o39/JxV8XSILH51s2KUuoHFd/9yXmTn9o36PVk6HonLJ8zXIFYy05xtb/QGtC RDapVEJWkwvyULGsH7owlg9oK4nf+VG3J/d+u7Bj8ivaePE2P+hwvalVDrJ1JomXGzfH 4J5g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.109.132 with SMTP id hs4mr8523089igb.34.1391362674581; Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.29.140 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Feb 2014 09:37:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <824758DB-57D8-4B4B-BECD-E1F12531FDE0@rouvenwessling.de> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 12:37:54 -0500 Message-ID: To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E1draic_Brady?= Cc: Yasuo Ohgaki , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rouven_We=DFling?= , "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013a1d90f8e77504f16fdde0 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Improved TLS Defaults From: rdlowrey@gmail.com (Daniel Lowrey) --089e013a1d90f8e77504f16fdde0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 7:27 PM, P=E1draic Brady wrote: > it's clear that choosing a cipher suite is not an easy task. I agree that choosing exactly the right cipher order is a difficult (and not entirely objective) decision. Much like maintaining our own CA certs, I think it's probably best to delegate such decisions to people who sit around and think about them all day. I would prefer to re-use the current Mozilla recommendation with the addition that RC4 suites are disabled and will make this change to the RFC. > it removes all ciphers below 128 This is a pretty standard demarcation line these days. I don't personally have an issue with using 128-bit cipher key-lengths as the cut-off line. Also, remember that users always have the option to specify their own explicit cipher list should the need arise. I think that if 128-bit cipher use is ubiquitous enough for mainstream browsers (where users would be upset if they couldn't connect to their favorite sites) then it should be fine as a (configurable) default PHP setting. Cheers, Daniel --089e013a1d90f8e77504f16fdde0--