Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:72003 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 99798 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2014 17:23:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Feb 2014 17:23:11 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=php@golemon.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=php@golemon.com; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (pb1.pair.com: domain golemon.com does not designate 209.85.220.54 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: php@golemon.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.54 mail-pa0-f54.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.54] ([209.85.220.54:62912] helo=mail-pa0-f54.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 6C/AE-30967-FFE7EE25 for ; Sun, 02 Feb 2014 12:23:11 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id fa1so6240712pad.13 for ; Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:23:08 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=tx8Kn2GbvIGCMBIbMIUO3b4ftTNtTkXXYH3+H7mdsBA=; b=k+UAPrHdvGVAT6hM74WEpxbloHmPjpkSIBPVR0qJqkT3rIOxeCdNfcGyxItAZoy0yS tOygwgKqJfjfK/oKWJSeICrOx5Sng5cznBTv/LVHHpeaqkHUK7HojmF6u0hBe5LobMHM goe12O+wlJhpXYIxiOFWuMbzEO7NSC6HiH2YAwFsVQ4ANtuHCwGsZP/F6e6n053+AX7G W/RNKDHxY5/z+QU+FXVAYtJ6QdVZfSTDRfzyezR8wujQveKChUuPxWtZsWS5wNbPvuT9 xRXufQVy3wOuzN37w8+vfYIPjsz+xgswu+UmTKK/4wASzw0Lp0V0qZShTnswpKhX5z3A QGGQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnaVTlRoDbGh15U6az1CRpmDVViea5r2xXLW4Za+Nbbe7eM7BtWQah9xMGzp0Mm2PC3S9Tx MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.241.134 with SMTP id wi6mr32323206pbc.44.1391361788322; Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:23:08 -0800 (PST) Sender: php@golemon.com Received: by 10.70.77.164 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Feb 2014 09:23:08 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [173.252.71.189] In-Reply-To: References: <98.E0.35265.E17FBE25@pb1.pair.com> <52ED66CC.8070304@ajf.me> <52ED9D74.8080807@ajf.me> <69.14.30967.1710EE25@pb1.pair.com> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 09:23:08 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: V1J_lPszSHx7BkXg05miZxrzChE Message-ID: To: Gordon Oheim Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Automatic Property Initialization From: pollita@php.net (Sara Golemon) On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Gordon Oheim wrote: > Just that I never accused you of any of these things. I usually don't even > comment on other RFCs. I apologize again if it's coming across any different > (although it annoys me that I have to say that for the third time now). So > all I can ask from you is to take it as I tell you now: it's *not* personal. > It's not my intention to question your commitment or blaming you of > sabotaging PHP or whatever you think I wrote there. Because I didn't. I have > no interest in drama. It doesn't even have anything to do with what is or > isn't in HHVM, really. I told you what I am concerned about and why I prefer > my proposal over Ctor Promotion. Believe it or not, but there is no hidden > agenda or politics. I don't have time for that. > I don't doubt that we're both tired of repeating ourselves. I did hear your concerns and why you prefer your proposal. As I said, I may even agree with you about your syntax being better in terms of accomplishing the stated goal. I haven't committed to a "yes" vote at this point because I'm not convinced it's needed. Within the scope of your syntax, it saves a single line per property at the cost of making the prototype longer. To me, that's not actually enough to justify it, especially if it means diverging the syntax trees. That's the sum total of my objection. It's not an attempt to block the feature. -Sara