Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:71946 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 79570 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2014 21:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2014 21:26:01 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain sugarcrm.com designates 108.166.43.115 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 108.166.43.115 smtp115.ord1c.emailsrvr.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [108.166.43.115] ([108.166.43.115:49354] helo=smtp115.ord1c.emailsrvr.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id D0/98-30967-8666DE25 for ; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 16:26:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp7.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BB08B1B81C9; Sat, 1 Feb 2014 16:25:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp7.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: smalyshev-AT-sugarcrm.com) with ESMTPSA id 2770F1B81C5; Sat, 1 Feb 2014 16:25:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <52ED6664.7080906@sugarcrm.com> Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 13:25:56 -0800 Organization: SugarCRM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9oYW5uZXMgU2NobMO8dGVy?= , Zeev Suraski CC: Christopher Jones , Anatol Belski , PHP Developers Mailing List References: <52EAF0A3.2000001@oracle.com> <1d5850561e0ef9e7739c7e7b7b0448d0.squirrel@webmail.klapt.com> <52EC0B34.8080109@oracle.com> <1391279853.2941.307.camel@guybrush> In-Reply-To: <1391279853.2941.307.camel@guybrush> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] 64 bit platform improvements for string length and integer From: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com (Stas Malyshev) Hi! > Maybe a good difference might be > > * Patches touching main/, TSRM/ or Zend/ require 2/3rd > * Patches touching only individually SAPIs or exts require 50% I'm not a big fan of over-formalizing things and thus setting up ourselves for the trap of rules being used against the rules' original purpose. I think nobody can deny this is a big change in the core. For big changes we need big consensus. For small changes - even if the change happens to be in a file stored in main/ - simple majority is enough. I don't know if it is workable anymore or not, but so far PHP has always been governed by consensus, and trying to find a way of governing itself that is acceptable to the people composing the group. I think voting 50%+1 on such a big thing is not good, especially given that everybody from 50%-1 that was against it and continues to work with the core will have to support the consequences of it for years to come. I think that was the main driver between distinction on 50%+1 and 2/3 - if the change is going to influence PHP in a way that nearly everybody working with PHP has to deal with - it requires broader consensus. If it's localized and can be handled in isolation from the other things - majority is ok, if you hate it, you can work in another corner :) -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ (408)454-6900 ext. 227