Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:71690 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 32757 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2014 18:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Jan 2014 18:22:31 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ajf@ajf.me; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ajf@ajf.me; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain ajf.me designates 198.187.29.241 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ajf@ajf.me X-Host-Fingerprint: 198.187.29.241 imap3-1.ox.registrar-servers.com Received: from [198.187.29.241] ([198.187.29.241:37154] helo=imap3-1.ox.registrar-servers.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 87/26-01140-565F7E25 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 13:22:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oxmail.registrar-servers.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BEC2A0088; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 13:22:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at imap3.ox.registrar-servers.com Received: from oxmail.registrar-servers.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (imap3.ox.registrar-servers.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id x1NXhRk65rAy; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 13:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.200] (unknown [176.25.177.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oxmail.registrar-servers.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3514D2A007B; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 13:22:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <52E7F55F.7090801@ajf.me> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 18:22:23 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre Joye CC: PHP internals References: <52E7D67D.1030308@ajf.me> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] some thoughts about php 6 From: ajf@ajf.me (Andrea Faulds) On 28/01/14 16:13, Pierre Joye wrote: > Anyone not being a developer will never use it. Let alone conservative > projects, or already released applications. There is no gain. However > there are tools already to apply whatever CS one wishes to existing > source code, or to check CS on commit. That's what one can uses case > sensitive naming without us having to break everything out there. I > think we can disagree on that and do not discuss that forever, if > there is a RFC about it, we will vote on it and that's it :) My > mistake was to send this mail too early, more important points coming > :) I don't care about coding style. I care about sanity here, and I think case-insensitivity leads to more problems than it solves, especially, as others have pointed out, when autoloading comes into play. A case-fixing tool could be run once on existing codebases, break no backwards compatibility, and make those codebases work on PHP 6. -- Andrea Faulds http://ajf.me/