Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:71674 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 4041 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2014 14:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Jan 2014 14:46:41 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=php@hristov.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=php@hristov.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain hristov.com from 91.196.124.214 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: php@hristov.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 91.196.124.214 more.superhosting.bg Linux 2.6 Received: from [91.196.124.214] ([91.196.124.214:34507] helo=more.superhosting.bg) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 2B/60-01140-FC2C7E25 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:46:40 -0500 Received: from [87.121.162.109] (port=51497 helo=[192.168.20.117]) by more.superhosting.bg with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1W89vv-000TLj-SC for internals@lists.php.net; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:46:35 +0200 Message-ID: <52E7C2CB.4030609@hristov.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:46:35 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - more.superhosting.bg X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - hristov.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: more.superhosting.bg: authenticated_id: php@hristov.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] some thoughts about php 6 From: php@hristov.com (Andrey Hristov) Pierre, On 28.01.2014 16:32, Pierre Joye wrote: > hi, > > While reading the various discussions about what we should change, > kill, remove, rename and similar operations, I thought it would be > good to put things back in perspective. > > It is indeed very appealing to think about killing every single little > annoyances PHP has accumulated. The idea to be able to write "nice and > clean" code makes me feel good. > > > However it has drawback, adoption. > > One thing I would very strongly consider is the actual gains brought > by a change. > > - rename or alias functions to fulfill our naming conventions or > coding standards > . where is the gain in the long term? > . most of the functions are procedural and string/array/scalar > related. I would prefer to think about alternative solutions like the > NIkic's proposal using OO-like APIs. Keeps BC, brings cleaner APIs > into the game > > - Case sensitivity > . Even with ini setting, which will be most likely system wild, will > bring a major breakage for almost every single app out there. I do not > see any gain to do it. > Amen! Andrey