Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:71514 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 29545 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2014 16:18:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Jan 2014 16:18:27 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ajf@ajf.me; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ajf@ajf.me; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain ajf.me designates 198.187.29.241 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ajf@ajf.me X-Host-Fingerprint: 198.187.29.241 imap3-1.ox.registrar-servers.com Received: from [198.187.29.241] ([198.187.29.241:44063] helo=imap3-1.ox.registrar-servers.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 13/B1-21270-25292E25 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 11:18:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oxmail.registrar-servers.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01EF82A0084; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 11:18:23 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at imap3.ox.registrar-servers.com Received: from oxmail.registrar-servers.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (imap3.ox.registrar-servers.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 6Zmjyyb8TMEE; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 11:18:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.200] (unknown [176.25.177.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oxmail.registrar-servers.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CA90B2A0087; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 11:18:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <52E2924B.6080002@ajf.me> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:18:19 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lester Caine , internals@lists.php.net References: <52E29253.2000801@lsces.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52E29253.2000801@lsces.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Ruminations on PHP 5++ From: ajf@ajf.me (Andrea Faulds) On 24/01/14 16:18, Lester Caine wrote: > Adam Harvey wrote: >> Adam, who loves starting a good flame war on a Friday. > It would perhaps be nice to avoid the same mistakes that Python made > when re-factoring 3.0 and not taking the rest of the user base with > them. The level of breaking of BC needs to be carefully balanced? > And I still think that 5.4 should have been a major hike which would > have allowed a little more flexibility then. There is a lot that PHP's 5/6 transition can learn from Python's 2/3 transition. One might be, IMO, not to backport any new features. Otherwise people will simply keep using 2/5 instead of 3/6, due to the features also being available there. -- Andrea Faulds http://ajf.me/