Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:71492 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 80676 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2014 09:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Jan 2014 09:59:54 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 217.147.176.204 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 217.147.176.204 mail4.serversure.net Linux 2.6 Received: from [217.147.176.204] ([217.147.176.204:54737] helo=mail4.serversure.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 38/0B-39789-49932E25 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 04:59:52 -0500 Received: (qmail 10944 invoked by uid 89); 24 Jan 2014 09:59:33 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.3.1 ppid: 10881, pid: 10936, t: 0.2003s scanners: attach: 1.3.1 clamav: 0.96/m:52 Received: from unknown (HELO linux-dev4.lsces.org.uk) (lester@rainbowdigitalmedia.org.uk@81.138.11.136) by mail4.serversure.net with ESMTPA; 24 Jan 2014 09:59:32 -0000 Message-ID: <52E239FE.2090509@lsces.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:01:34 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/26.0 SeaMonkey/2.23 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV][VOTE] "Array Of" v Generics From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: >> A) I want Array Of, but not Generics >> >B) I want Generics, but not Array Of >> >C) I want both >> >D) I want neither >> > >> >Nothing really binding here, its more of a survey than a vote, but it >> >should help with the next > An RFC survey? This is not what this process is intended for. And these multi-option votes are rather useless. This feels like a waste of time to me. As has been pointed out ... no mention of 'RFC' so perhaps the title should be [Survey] rather than [VOTE]. There are a number of fundamental style changes floating around, so perhaps it is time to have the broader discussion on some of them. If I am reading things right, generics are called templates in C++ and just loaded as an additional library. The same in other languages, something which is optional and can be loaded as and if required? We also have 'Reflections' which I still have not got my head around and I don't think there is time to do so at my time of life. With the volume of code I have maintained via 'docblock' commented type management I see little point in introducing a different way of working in parallel. While my IDE setup is still a little behind the current 'core' language structure it works fine - 'For my style of coding'. So please can we have the general discussion on 'PHP6' and what fundamental changes people are prepared to put time into and stop this piecemeal nibbling at the edges. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk