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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Introducing "Array Of" RFC
From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine)

Philip Sturgeon wrote:
> Everything is open for discussion, especially the current error
> messages. They are not perfect, so let us know if you have better
> ideas.

I'm quite happy to put my hands up and say that despite having been programming 
since the early 70's some of these 'essential facilities' are simply going over 
my head. I've programmed with 'strict' languages and had to work around their 
restrictions in the past, so the 'loose' format of PHP used to be a pleasure. So 
all of these 'improvements' to keep to nibble away at the that freedom is a 
pain. My IDE provides all of the 'type-hinting' that I need and a lot more 
besides, totally outside the final code base. Many of the e_strict rules cause 
problems resulting in a lot of duplication of code, adding facilities which 
create more hinting/type checks still seems backwards.

This may just be my misunderstanding the OO basis people are working on, and 
many of my 'objects' are persisted directly in the database, so the array of 
elements is simply a record from the database. That record may have a type field 
so that the resulting array is a mixture of types of object, but all of the same 
base class. As with other additions made, I don't understand where this 
'improved type-hinting' fits into the general development of PHP? How much code 
will actually benefit from this addition, and how much will simply ignore it?

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Lester Caine - G8HFL
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