Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:71022 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 83235 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2014 16:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jan 2014 16:41:27 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=zeev@zend.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=zeev@zend.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com from 209.85.217.176 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: zeev@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.217.176 mail-lb0-f176.google.com Received: from [209.85.217.176] ([209.85.217.176:56408] helo=mail-lb0-f176.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 23/54-62543-6BCDAC25 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 11:41:27 -0500 Received: by mail-lb0-f176.google.com with SMTP id l4so9872636lbv.21 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 08:41:23 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :thread-index:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=nE9UuR2DGNbcALahikSzwa1tT2QHivIpYmtDGtMwhiM=; b=WA1ZsAxgq1Unzx3QWeUUBk8+vJ3cOHAsdhGvw2UMPgZfTsSHC2YvajRRAMXwx6gFE1 OG4u+NBP2Z/XmmYviVy98B3KSnxFt+XgcfcWnvjs4snpgz7zowJAt2qt2mQ4HPi2pHRy GSlFGf+ExjMU9oRcZoB0um+svX1Ai9lrXX2Iq39IpF2eSlgBpPrPgMYb75uvt7Ezhy+k 1s0AaeRPH9dTKPE32Nq6nnBoScNS4gZpKkMfvIzd4AEkiZEMJDQ0sShNQoGtwz+8xIO5 gt7EW7pRmDaKc9josFd9PHM6S656b43eBJgh4S4Qn9gY25NxS1Yyuxpj1hbNETmA5DkB n8WA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlKDOOl5V5IhdMLkuMYiBfT+lLV5il2LRoJhnwi7uHaDAVCoaW4iODR444WOsDTAPAuwplqck3yHggEeIF9e07HgG/3CwzM9Oe8U4NSbiyOpu1TPxGvkww+AfN+t0w2m9WLhHhB X-Received: by 10.152.163.69 with SMTP id yg5mr1459811lab.33.1389026483775; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 08:41:23 -0800 (PST) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQMa2TCQNH4wX8yn/vPfq6ftq4e/+ZfgSS+w Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 18:41:23 +0200 Message-ID: To: Nikita Popov Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] RFC votes no longer visible From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski) I agree with Nikita. I don't think we should be hiding anything here, not who voted and not how they voted. I admit that in some cases I do care about how certain others vote, but it doesn't make me cattle :) Zeev > -----Original Message----- > From: Nikita Popov [mailto:nikita.ppv@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:24 PM > To: PHP internals > Subject: [PHP-DEV] RFC votes no longer visible > > Hi folks! > > Recently a change was committed [1] that no longer displays votes on active > RFCs. I think this would have merited discussion beforehand, so I'm starting > that discussion now. > > I can see where this comes from (avoid herd effect?), but I don't think it's a > good idea. I can't even see votes on my own RFCs, so I don't know how > things are going and if there are still issues. Also this prevents the "vote > reason" column that was suggested in several recent discussions. That would > seem like a much more valuable change than just removing the votes. > > Thanks, > Nikita > > [1]: > http://git.php.net/?p=web/wiki.git;a=commit;h=2c8876d460f8731afffcaa9d8 > 3f50da535616a0e