Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:70984 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 34757 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2014 16:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2014 16:32:04 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.43 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.43 mail-wg0-f43.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.43] ([74.125.82.43:43306] helo=mail-wg0-f43.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 30/02-12805-306E6C25 for ; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 11:32:04 -0500 Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id k14so13734093wgh.10 for ; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 08:32:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vZrqkU+8ryE92e2iQC8QBZU8/Vt0GqaQkDba2kd6nW8=; b=ysFSfVWt/DytvTwoTMn06HA947fsIZu9eLZoWI26CBT5au20mCKhfi3UAPvLnOU47T PR8ERtTvcqeyE9I8gh8uY3d9Pm/8FmiYmuCOCeRW+CS8JHh6TeeUUMa2Op58SHh7lbDf LZ7dG9UFansp8B1W89X+S2FQuFyVlPb8kHPSgyTlXiaAJfOPRokvy6Do/0wb7JDUHKXl srYTzI4QXLn8yL87OrwVLaOhcsk49T7P2LWT5QaLdNNB8hB8135JzYDrHwGqPs1BzjoB O6Bn7RibNdmRpMltjM6KcI2ce7Cr+988NuOD32He3NwGaTMQnd2u1oeFIAw2Iqn9XFXW rydg== X-Received: by 10.180.160.166 with SMTP id xl6mr2500660wib.43.1388766720665; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 08:32:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.133] ([62.189.198.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ju6sm9668584wjc.1.2014.01.03.08.31.59 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jan 2014 08:31:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52C6E5FE.50908@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:31:58 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <52C6E2F2.2020408@ajf.me> In-Reply-To: <52C6E2F2.2020408@ajf.me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Is it possible introduce HHVM into PHP kernel tree? From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) Andrea Faulds wrote (on 03/01/2014): > > > On 03/01/14 06:20, Pierre Joye wrote: >> >> While it is very appealing there are many reasons to do not even >> consider >> it as this stage: >> >> . CLA and only controlled by one single company. We had the single >> company >> control of our engine in the past, it did UA no good. >> >> . barely portable, relies on gcc only >> >> . will reduce even more the amount of contributors able to >> participate in >> the engine development (due to technical, legal or related reasons. >> > > It's my understanding that HHVM is incomplete, as well. Does HHVM > implement the full basic functionality of PHP? Are there still things > which don't work for performance reasons? > It occurs to me that an interesting direction to consider would be moving towards having a PHP language specification, rather than a single reference implementation. Then both the Zend Engine (as distributed by PHP.net) and HHVM could be implementations of that language specification, with documented limitations / deviations. Such a specification might also be useful in other ways - for instance, cross-checking with unit tests and documentation, and establishing clear baselines when discussing RFCs and maintaining (or not) compatibility between releases. Obviously, though, this would require the folks in charge of both implementations to be interested enough in the project to spend time on it. Just a thought... -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]