Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:70824 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 45679 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2013 01:25:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Dec 2013 01:25:14 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=kris.craig@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=kris.craig@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.214.171 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: kris.craig@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.214.171 mail-ob0-f171.google.com Received: from [209.85.214.171] ([209.85.214.171:44271] helo=mail-ob0-f171.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id AF/D6-07676-97F36B25 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 20:25:13 -0500 Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id wp18so4261772obc.16 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:25:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=MXhUQPqxNLDATgISSJBVuyUKj0DybBS4bsAm8O7pkFM=; b=busHEsPw6KuHBzomj7IL0mfN0tm+nKiseo0tKw0Gb/Tniu7hukxQWpjb4s0n1iTfE5 7wTrI3b58qAYZ/FsVlWQgxC877PSLutFjjW0X96fL5++xN+dWMgHLL5/7A0Ce1UoJlpL Z4mvJeBFU5JXjS5D+WmcmzeZ+KA4zSCE112M3S3w7cJjg9pJDUH8kGfBw+w9iCUe/6sO Ly9ASMoj4xIfnTotEFMYeqRZ+gcKyVZZGqdrTPqv0CH/XQrk+2hxWgW/BlukxnYdwgJl J66+v91nLI+tRznnsjVrubsQR7Y1zfx/ttqjMDVPi5vR/O4V/FbXNAMeSQEw6em7Go// Gcqw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.18.102 with SMTP id v6mr28730obd.71.1387675510542; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:25:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.221.170 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:25:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <52B5522A.4040709@lsces.co.uk> <52B61756.9090202@gmail.com> <52B620D7.6090200@evermeet.cx> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:25:10 -0800 Message-ID: To: Ronald Chmara Cc: Helmut Tessarek , Rowan Collins , internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c339e6de986404ee156133 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Censorship in php From: kris.craig@gmail.com (Kris Craig) --001a11c339e6de986404ee156133 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > Thousands? No, many, many, millions. If you break PHP, you break Yahoo, > Wikipedia, Wordpress, Facebook.... many millions of sites. Maybe billions > at this point. > > I don't think he's saying we should "break" PHP. I think he's saying that we tend to be overly worried about maintaining BC even on bad functionality, an assessment that I agree with. Maintaining BC religiously on minor increments is understandable. Breaking BC on a major release increment is not only ok, I would say it's even expected. Also keep in mind that big-timers like Facebook and Yahoo! aren't going to blindly upgrade to the latest version without first making sure their code is up to current standards (which they should be doing, anyway). Relevant: http://xkcd.com/1172/ --Kris --001a11c339e6de986404ee156133--