Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:70821 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 31318 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2013 23:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Dec 2013 23:39:32 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.42 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.42 mail-wg0-f42.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.42] ([74.125.82.42:53170] helo=mail-wg0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 53/D3-07676-3B626B25 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 18:39:32 -0500 Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id a1so8147037wgh.5 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 15:39:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5Hi7IRr5q/LGWzkqum3MoSOgbdS3/2rmv/NUPVMxoXw=; b=yVeoHwZawXXj0udCVtB8WTQMrunMfGkSHEYtyepy1jDSywjdnbLlfw8TOOGDm6NeKO 1vo67Se1/6PCmgRmYqiilvl+g99/JSjzT4A80VZvKI9xyrTUHmTh75krkVSw8vlxCLnG jsIqOI/6t+4o56p40baSgAsMTlEnr08lwxj6i26WLWh0V/Rpnx6PnSpNqoJeaDnUo/6S o5Ik8kDvmcSmI0GEAFYyEQg7l5HHH+lSQuSZZfb9/aHlxYrB5uU5cEn6on/Lu8uEUTAy 8zolaowBGrgVWKrjcae4A5R695E2aWDPdXa+gJ5/B8jXRG8JyB76aKc2BF/1N74wFwe8 sVrw== X-Received: by 10.181.11.169 with SMTP id ej9mr13515819wid.13.1387669168826; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 15:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc19-brig17-2-0-cust25.3-3.cable.virginm.net. [81.101.201.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id mz10sm22196110wic.2.2013.12.21.15.39.27 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 21 Dec 2013 15:39:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52B6269C.2060506@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 23:39:08 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <52B5522A.4040709@lsces.co.uk> <52B61756.9090202@gmail.com> <52B620D7.6090200@evermeet.cx> In-Reply-To: <52B620D7.6090200@evermeet.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Censorship in php From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) On 21/12/2013 23:14, Helmut Tessarek wrote: > A lot of constructive feedback gets ignored because people in this list think > it has a negative tone, while using condescending language on their side. That may be, but it's not an excuse to start a thread with accusations and emotive language, rather than at least trying to give the constructive feedback on its own merits. I realise that I am making a judgement about Lester's tone, but it's hard to see words like "censorship" and "clique" as an invitation to calm discussion. My own biggest flaw is that I tend to be over-verbose, so my posts probably end up reading like rants when I am actually trying to contribute to the conversation. I apologise if that was the case here, and I will try to refine my points more succinctly in future. Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]