Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:70004 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 30432 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2013 09:39:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Nov 2013 09:39:55 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.215.46 mail-la0-f46.google.com Received: from [209.85.215.46] ([209.85.215.46:45415] helo=mail-la0-f46.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 0A/85-04169-96B67725 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 04:39:54 -0500 Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id hp15so5117232lab.19 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 01:39:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=WVcnMpcxPAdj8Sx4H0Xk/F4stNeoYrgRa27qKwKTBIk=; b=WAuBXXD3owxiFG+EKk5tFe8CBcdLa98rN4iEaY/KIINd6ZHmijkD3bAcG/8kf+N4ud ZDDz/x6O6Zwi+j5IkXInKA80/a8kYf3jZhH5v13aRTH83v8ZFkK4K8hyJygTL6WmqTKJ mnNOwBvJ8+Xwp59OVPxufjddvfY8r6Ulo+Srq6U4rl1/n3tJsKndbQyQSVfr11WOI5/d 8Hi/OguYR8Q8aEpCvU/OFovZJESAo5mRjMKgulmTC8MFuK1f7fhUnvlrU5kmyWj3oaCe egtlr6srrgndCyG1oEz1Dpt5GdE/ApESregS3yOwSAEmiqNzdPWLmLWrIpqw8O8I2c55 xkww== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.239.164 with SMTP id vt4mr5880356lac.8.1383557990018; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 01:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.157.33 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 01:39:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <527766D5.8090407@rotorised.com> References: <65.90.33939.943A3725@pb1.pair.com> <527766D5.8090407@rotorised.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 10:39:49 +0100 Message-ID: To: Ryan McCue Cc: Ferenc Kovacs , Joe Watkins , PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Vote: Expectations From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Ryan McCue wrote: > Ferenc Kovacs wrote: >> uhm, did you just delete this rfc? >> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/expectations?do=diff&rev2%5B0%5D=1383415199&rev2%5B1%5D=&difftype=sidebyside >> I've behind a bit on the recent discussions, so maybe I've just missed some >> mail where this was mentioned. >> > > I suspect it's related to this: > https://twitter.com/krakjoe/status/396701273677762561 Sad. I have hard time to understand what happened here. I just came back from a very busy time&weekend, was about to vote (positively) on this feature and noticed the RFC was withdrawn and his author left php.net. As I can understand the frustration of having to discuss something with people not agreeing with you, I do not understand, and will barely ever do, the "accept or I leave" way of doing things. There were good discussions for this proposal and other, but if we can't discuss things anymore without fearing to loose a contributor, then I do not see any kind of solutions to get out of this. But I will let Joe explains his reasoning here, if he wishes to. -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org