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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Expectations
From: pthreads@pthreads.org (Joe Watkins)

On 10/22/2013 08:37 PM, Patrick Schaaf wrote:
>
>
> > Failed assertions are a sign of broken programming, not a sign to 
> take a different code path during execution, but a sign that 
> development must go on a little longer :)
>
> Definitely, that's not something I ever wanted to imply would be 
> otherwise.
>

I have updated the RFC, there is a misleading example that I regret 
putting in, I have cleaned it up.

I have put in a section about production time too, to clarify a few things.

I hope everything is clear now ... and I hope too that I'm changing 
minds ...

Patrick mentioned something I think is worth bringing up, that's core 
dumps. We can't do core dumps from Zend, there's no infrastructure to 
support it, and while it wouldn't require much to get a minimal one 
going, there is already a platform used to actually debug PHP, and it 
comes with well tested infrastructure. If certain people were a bit more 
on board, we could entertain the idea of overriding the opcode handler 
with xdebug and generating that coredump, or something like a coredump, 
I'd certainly be willing to put some effort into that and don't know how 
much of it is already possible with xdebug ... but no pressure, whatever 
....

Cheers
Joe