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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Anonymous Classes
From: krakjoe@php.net (Joe Watkins)

On 10/07/2013 12:49 PM, Johannes Schlüter wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 08:38 +0100, Joe Watkins wrote:
>> 	I brought it up in IRC the other day and someone, I forget who, but
>> recognized them at the time, said they'd rather see it in 5.7, then a
>> few people joined in the discussion and I couldn't really argue with
>> their reasoning.
>
> When I brought this up I was on my current primary rant. Even small
> additions to the language have an impact on tools, best practices, ...
> which have to be explored about how to use them and how those interact
> with each other.
>
> To be clear: I love anonymous classes, I always wanted them when using
> FilterIterator etc. (while meanwhile generators+closures might be a
> better tool for some of those use cases) But we are moving extremely
> fast in reshaping the language making it hard for our users, of which
> many -- in my assumption -- primarily want a stable platform, to keep
> up.
>
> Oh and talking about "stable platform". Current bug count: 3891
>
> See also my previous message on that subject:
> http://news.php.net/php.internals/69093
>
> johannes
>
>

The observation that even a small patch has an impact, or can have an 
impact is valid. But then to talk about adoption time turns your 
reasoning a bit circular: adoption does take time, if we want for 
adoption to take place then the earlier a patch gets merged the better, 
regardless of the complexity of the patch.

I did see your "rant", though it's not really a rant; perfectly valid 
observations. Still, I don't know what you hope to achieve by pointing 
out the differences between the development of C or Java, and PHP: 
progress plotted on a graph nobody would expect to see any kind of 
relationship or commonality between these languages. So while they are 
valid observations they aren't really relevant.

The bug count is a bit shameful, some effort should obviously be spent 
on bugs ...

Cheers
Joe