Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:69088 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 22722 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2013 09:35:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Sep 2013 09:35:35 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=admacedo@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=admacedo@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.178 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: admacedo@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.178 mail-we0-f178.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.178] ([74.125.82.178:37073] helo=mail-we0-f178.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 7D/D7-12981-6EA81325 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 05:35:35 -0400 Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id u57so7877971wes.37 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 02:35:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=B7uPvv/0wsQZbtr5XfqZMvmkFvVTfKChAg8DZJpWT10=; b=irlFgo1H/4sLtb9WAza4jGC01plhNEBTCRctrTqIE/UnUOuvQg3xIYN6siazX5e3zg P2IyONmAwGJ2NUntO74zvdKkzqnzMuhHkpF8T6C9aTb929fXjJ7DBaAk/STiCYfLJdrV zOP5zc7rolDgvDfYfZapB2C5MONDuMyjUqRrrpqH7UkG5ikADbODnvw5Hn9speJQH8vd zEmppmQh2m8KQdP24Qr3vXppdsunQ3Wywpjgf86i8QQnmQSas49/xcLxodRj0ZDuNYkR iObHAa0zZlVBJoBqH9GiDj+qJR0K0dukXLddB/Z7+u9iVAzOwKzAV6bc5MI/HzBYasEB KUhQ== X-Received: by 10.180.185.146 with SMTP id fc18mr21165656wic.44.1378978531277; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 02:35:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.48.138 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 02:34:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5231831E.6010707@lsces.co.uk> References: <1378903588.3917.54.camel@guybrush> <5230B28A.40707@oracle.com> <52312AEB.7070904@lerdorf.com> <5231831E.6010707@lsces.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:34:51 +0100 Message-ID: To: Lester Caine , Rasmus Lerdorf Cc: PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Wake up From: admacedo@gmail.com (Daniel Macedo) Why not both? The list should and will remain, but I see no issue in using the same inbox to start/reply-to a thread; it's been done, it can be done! And I don't think it's just about keeping people who like one or the other more, but rather allowing a quick read over the conversation in a threaded conversation when my main e-mail client isn't available (not that gmail is THAT terrible with the threaded conversations) But I think this is a secondary question to the more relevant "is the PHP internals mailing, RFC process, =ABnot the PHP way=BB discussions, etc" working out positively for the language, the (internals) developers and web developers at large. And please don't just cite the PHP usage numbers, I think those more involved know it's a more complex matter than only that... The way I see Anthony's response wasn't because of that particular discussion, but the last drop of a continuous number of inefficient communication or just a bit of bad taste when defending X view within a discussion. I also have to agree with having the more prominent "PHP Companies" being part of the process (and improving it if possible) as well as outsiders (be it FB or others) being included in a more friendly and productive discussion. Along with a vision for the long term. (Rasmus, I don't think this is so much a roadmap, as it is a need for simply a vision as broad as can be) Or as Rodney King put it: Why can't we all just get along? Cheers :)