Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:69077 Return-Path: <17260015@student.uws.edu.au> Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 95799 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2013 05:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Sep 2013 05:13:33 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=17260015@student.uws.edu.au; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=17260015@student.uws.edu.au; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain student.uws.edu.au from 213.199.154.184 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: 17260015@student.uws.edu.au X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.199.154.184 mail-db8lp0184.outbound.messaging.microsoft.com Received: from [213.199.154.184] ([213.199.154.184:49555] helo=db8outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 7D/C2-12981-B7D41325 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 01:13:32 -0400 Received: from mail55-db8-R.bigfish.com (10.174.8.249) by DB8EHSOBE018.bigfish.com (10.174.4.81) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 05:13:27 +0000 Received: from mail55-db8 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail55-db8-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5153A00A2; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 05:13:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:111.221.117.5;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SINPRD0111HT002.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: 10 X-BigFish: PS10(zz9371I1432Id983mzz1f42h208ch1ee6h1de0h1d18h1fdah2073h1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ah1fc6h1ff2k1082k1feeizz8275ch1de098h17326ah19a27bh1de097h186068h172cdfh8275bhz2dh2a8h839h944hd25hf0ah1220h1288h12a5h12a9h12bdh137ah13b6h1441h1504h1537h153bh15d0h162dh1631h1758h18e1h1946h19b5h19ceh1ad9h1b0ah1d07h1d0ch1d2eh1d3fh1dfeh1dffh1e1dh1fe8h1ff5h1155h) Received: from mail55-db8 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail55-db8 (MessageSwitch) id 1378962807268805_16495; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 05:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DB8EHSMHS011.bigfish.com (unknown [10.174.8.251]) by mail55-db8.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2E0380040; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 05:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SINPRD0111HT002.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com (111.221.117.5) by DB8EHSMHS011.bigfish.com (10.174.4.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 05:13:27 +0000 Received: from SINPRD0111MB355.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com ([169.254.8.227]) by SINPRD0111HT002.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.255.27.37]) with mapi id 14.16.0353.003; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 05:12:57 +0000 To: Philip Sturgeon , "internals@lists.php.net" Thread-Topic: [PHP-DEV] Wake up Thread-Index: AQHOr3KcNNd79Bf/GE6RLB9hYGAMxpnBjnlG Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 05:12:57 +0000 Message-ID: <3FBD3902C6A76C489F49B9162D536A88587C8B00@SINPRD0111MB355.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-AU, en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-AU X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [137.154.180.168] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: student.uws.edu.au X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Wake up From: 17260015@student.uws.edu.au (Rajneesh Shetty) http://www.unicom.com/pw/faq/sco-xenix.faq "blast from the past"... Rajneesh N. Shetty Tel : (+61)468371858 ________________________________________ From: Philip Sturgeon [pjsturgeon@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013 2:43 PM To: internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Wake up > PHP is a collective mind. Any dictatorship would mean a degradation for i= t. > If you don't like how it's managed, there is an easy path: > > 1. Earn authority. > 2. Propose a change. > 3. Implement it. > 4. Maintain it. > > Start with 1. Why is earning authority a step in this process? This just seems like yet another barrier to entry. "You know enough C and you understand how to implement the feature, but I've not seen your name around here so get stuffed." That doesn't seem like a helpful attitude. As for the comments about the FIG made by others, I agree with Larry in that we're doing a pretty good job at trying to build on the example set forward by internals. Self moderation and workflow are two important factors to the group, and I don't feel like this 4 point list is the sort of workflow anyone should be trying to follow or enforce. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php