Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:69076 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 94127 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2013 05:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Sep 2013 05:00:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([127.0.0.1:19242]) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ECSTREAM id 4E/62-12981-45A41325 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 01:00:04 -0400 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pjsturgeon@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pjsturgeon@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.215.54 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pjsturgeon@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.215.54 mail-la0-f54.google.com Received: from [209.85.215.54] ([209.85.215.54:43919] helo=mail-la0-f54.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C1/62-12981-E6641325 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 00:43:26 -0400 Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id ea20so8385653lab.27 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:43:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ifXSGYPcu4JDt3EhjxeJ17+fa9d2Z02ygyICf1KEsuw=; b=J1DaPvWVdgkMI5si6zgqlJVoCb5cwR86lAqASORx2NXWf1csUDzX/miEps6Fqtmh8o o/+0pYjHxS2zJgizrZDk8eFOao5xqdy2Q7WWM7pw9pXcniTn77A1b8/xUXFvlDJfep9M CIOwefFS6n/r+Td28vmA33yTNqyuNdKI4NjTTnV55pcnNl6hC4iND+FVvF69yDdrATj5 7H0HDXe86u2UeoVvZjawW5SOO6iugFRlhdIpXKGdnhWjfe1eIIFWLDPrmO6fku0z79Y5 2gibBjad8z4WB0HRscMweGR41NxXhwczrgdNDKGntaqtdkhl8YoXJEUy7FPYpgqEOfXk ZOFA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.51.166 with SMTP id l6mr5713371lbo.5.1378961002504; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.93.37 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 00:43:22 -0400 Message-ID: To: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Wake up From: pjsturgeon@gmail.com (Philip Sturgeon) > PHP is a collective mind. Any dictatorship would mean a degradation for it. > If you don't like how it's managed, there is an easy path: > > 1. Earn authority. > 2. Propose a change. > 3. Implement it. > 4. Maintain it. > > Start with 1. Why is earning authority a step in this process? This just seems like yet another barrier to entry. "You know enough C and you understand how to implement the feature, but I've not seen your name around here so get stuffed." That doesn't seem like a helpful attitude. As for the comments about the FIG made by others, I agree with Larry in that we're doing a pretty good job at trying to build on the example set forward by internals. Self moderation and workflow are two important factors to the group, and I don't feel like this 4 point list is the sort of workflow anyone should be trying to follow or enforce.