Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:69036 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 97510 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2013 15:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Sep 2013 15:21:29 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=j.boggiano@seld.be; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=j.boggiano@seld.be; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain seld.be designates 209.85.217.175 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: j.boggiano@seld.be X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.217.175 mail-lb0-f175.google.com Received: from [209.85.217.175] ([209.85.217.175:48088] helo=mail-lb0-f175.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 42/86-02564-77A80325 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:21:28 -0400 Received: by mail-lb0-f175.google.com with SMTP id y6so7656590lbh.34 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:21:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=07UG7iip0EMpvhC3VkhiTgj1SuUOEnISUDnLyG8s6Cw=; b=K8uXI+hCVpv0i+tfx8zdYS6SY/11vFINnAhMkj8BWXwQiLvCedzgz/9psuk4I2Dozw pVkInGbXjhDy9EUwOciZKFNJHpFi4gQCpgPTPOW8k4GbQjqeHnkMQ0UZJm3ohbcmUReG TsPvdxvpH1r2/OBkb0CUj7SjTIIA2uiyiaBWBNHOh+5UnPY7bZJPZDQ7+q/LAUg3IjdM r3NcxEulSMnS59/PYClc9c43OdUN/LL9TedWNYWGGAXYdnvjuKI4IV1907SelzZ81Muj D5fdSli4L9YkmGfwuXjgMyEwAlJRuD5Ne6V/M0FhiIZ8zAsTXzF4cW4nnSsNjUVQ8JvD F0fw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlsbd/BBmu434En/HBdAL3IalosdNrx5pZ5gJXP/uBcjLis+4unaNndpn6MwMhionn5iWPc X-Received: by 10.152.8.51 with SMTP id o19mr1732869laa.42.1378912883609; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.200] (77-57-44-25.dclient.hispeed.ch. [77.57.44.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id oc1sm1634034lbb.3.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52308A71.300@seld.be> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:21:21 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Wake up From: j.boggiano@seld.be (Jordi Boggiano) As I answered on Anthony's post, there is not much need for waking up, or moving the talks to a forum, or discussing the problem to death here. The problem is clear, and everyone involved on this mailing list is aware of it to some degree. The only way this can be solved is if the offenders self-censor and think twice before posting emails. This thread is yet another example of abuse IMO. Every reply here is wasting a ton of people's time, and we end up discussing discussion instead of making progress. For having been involved in the Rust community recently, I find that their Code of Conduct [1] is great, and if everyone tries to follow it discussions remain on point and civilized. [1] https://github.com/mozilla/rust/wiki/Note-development-policy#conduct I wish everyone would just take a deep breath after reading something that makes them angry, and take another long one before hitting send with a hurtful reply. If someone acts like a dick send them a link to a code of conduct, either publicly or privately, and *ignore* everything else they said. It's been internet wisdom for ages to *not feed the trolls*. So if you want to do something useful: draft an RFC with a clear code of conduct, put it to a vote, promote it. And if you don't agree see above, take a deep breath and do not waste time answering this email to tell me an idiot. Cheers