Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:69020 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 69967 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2013 14:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Sep 2013 14:50:43 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ml@anderiasch.de; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ml@anderiasch.de; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain anderiasch.de from 81.169.138.148 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ml@anderiasch.de X-Host-Fingerprint: 81.169.138.148 ares.art-core.org Received: from [81.169.138.148] ([81.169.138.148:45388] helo=mail.anderiasch.de) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 54/00-02564-03380325 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 10:50:25 -0400 Message-ID: <523082A2.7080000@anderiasch.de> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:48:02 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130704 Icedove/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9oYW5uZXMgU2NobMO8dGVy?= CC: Florin Patan , "internals@lists.php.net" References: <1378902916.3917.43.camel@guybrush> In-Reply-To: <1378902916.3917.43.camel@guybrush> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Wake up From: ml@anderiasch.de (Florian Anderiasch) On 09/11/2013 02:35 PM, Johannes Schlüter wrote: > On Wed, 2013-09-11 at 12:44 +0200, Florin Patan wrote: >> - having a RFC to make a language change requires to have a patch >> which if you don't know C and internals you got no chance of doing. > > Well, so what should happen? An RFC without patch is accepted and then? > Somebody has to write a patch at some time. Whom of the people spending > their free time do you want to force to do that even though they might > not be interested in the feature? That's a point I keep on hearing on this list (and I actually agree) - but how do other projects manage that? Is there a core team that's more inclined to "step up" and just clean a mess someone else left or handling cruft that somehow pops up? Unless you have an entity (non-profit or for-profit) that's handling everyday chores/tasks/steering the vision and demands from its members to do stuff they don't take up on your own... I don't see how it could be done in another way :) Greetings, Florian