Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:69014 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 61128 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2013 14:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Sep 2013 14:18:32 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 217.147.176.204 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 217.147.176.204 mail4.serversure.net Linux 2.6 Received: from [217.147.176.204] ([217.147.176.204:44244] helo=mail4.serversure.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4C/E8-15730-7BB70325 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 10:18:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 4182 invoked by uid 89); 11 Sep 2013 14:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO linux-dev4.lsces.org.uk) (lester@rainbowdigitalmedia.org.uk@86.186.52.223) by mail4.serversure.net with ESMTPA; 11 Sep 2013 14:18:28 -0000 Message-ID: <52307CB3.10001@lsces.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 15:22:43 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0 SeaMonkey/2.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "internals@lists.php.net" References: <1378903588.3917.54.camel@guybrush> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Wake up From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Terence Copestake wrote: > There's a conflict between people who want to keep PHP > simple and accessible and people who want to make PHP into a professional > programming tool/environment, complete with all bells and whistles. You see that is part of the problem here. What proportion of the internet is powered by the current and older versions of PHP? What is 'so wrong' that it's not already a 'professional tool'? I've been using PHP since just before PHP5 was finalised and I don't find anything wrong with the code I produce using it, and I am making 'professional' websites and services for 'professionals'. OK - perhaps I am an 'old timer' stuck in my ways, but programming used to be fun ... nowadays it's a chore trying to re-write perfectly functional code so that it jumps through the hoops of what someone else thinks is 'professional' :( Yes a 'classic' PHP would be nice, rolling back before 'e_strict' and then I could get back to creating new code rather than fire fighting old stuff. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk