Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:69013 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 60211 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2013 14:17:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Sep 2013 14:17:59 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 90.15.15.20 ALyon-654-1-407-20.w90-15.abo.wanadoo.fr Received: from [90.15.15.20] ([90.15.15.20:19997] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id EA/B8-15730-59B70325 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 10:17:57 -0400 Message-ID: To: internals@lists.php.net Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:17:54 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130803 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1378903588.3917.54.camel@guybrush> <5230769F.3050107@lsces.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Posted-By: 90.15.15.20 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Wake up From: matthieu@mnapoli.fr (Matthieu Napoli) Le 11/09/2013 16:06, Arvids Godjuks a écrit : > 2013/9/11 Lester Caine > >> Arvids Godjuks wrote: >> >>> P.S. While I was writing this, 4 people posted. Only Patrick Schaaf posted >>> usefull information. If this would be a forum - those 3 posts should be >>> marked as off topic and hidden by default. >>> >> >> But who decides what is off topic. >> There are genuine disagreements as to how PHP should move forward, if >> someone has control of the communication channel they can influence what is >> seen. >> >> I agree with the general sentiment of what is being said, but I recall >> Rasmus saying he just wanted stability. I just want to get back to a system >> I can use ... > > > Well, I have to answer that, don't I? :) > > As I see it, there never is a single moderator - it is usually a team. And > posts are never truly deleted, so if someone has done something bad, it can > be verified and action can be taken. > Off topic is when the content of the message does not relate to the initial > theme of the thread. I usually just go with my gut on these things - you > have to stop the derailment at some point, or you can be forced to clean up > quite a lot. Many times just a reminder to stay on track from the moderator > does the trick - you leave the messages where they are in that case and no > one is hurt. > > It's not black and white of course, depends on the situation. > > We all want stability, I for once want it badly, because I saw how decent > RFC's and proposals were just shredded to pieces and people just gone "f**c > it, i'm out". We need a filter. That is what i'm proposing. > That's not the first time I mention it, but Discourse (http://www.discourse.org/) seems like the kind of forum software appropriate for some of these problems. It allows: - branching off conversations (you all know how this is one of the biggest problem here) - community moderation: several people flagging the same reply -> it gets hidden - good online interface: I am on the point of view of the readers of this mailing list, and reading that list is *very* difficult. It's either you subscribe and let you personal email get bombarded (we are not all on gmail), either you use a weird mirror that mixes up all emails and don't let you distinguish threads and discussions - easy login (openid): again, if you want to contribute from times to times to the discussion, you have to subscribe, and that's opening the gates of hell They are also working on having it work like a mailing list, i.e. getting all the posts as mail, and, I think, be able to reply by email also. Just a reminder: do you know stackoverflow? How it changed the game with finding answers to technical questions on the web. Well discourse is by on of the authors, with the same spirit. It seems like very good software, very far from what "forum" comes to everybody's mind, and quite appropriate to *some* of the problems here.