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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:15:09 +0300
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Wake up
From: arvids.godjuks@gmail.com (Arvids Godjuks)

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2013/9/11 Terence Copestake <terence.copestake@gmail.com>

> In less than 10 posts, this thread descended into people bashing each
> other. Perhaps that's telling of something.
>
> I won't comment on the point about forums or anything else, but a concern
> brought up repeatedly both here and in various blogs is the lack of
> direction or vision. There's a conflict between people who want to keep PHP
> simple and accessible and people who want to make PHP into a professional
> programming tool/environment, complete with all bells and whistles. With
> everyone wanting something different and having different ideas on who the
> target users are, what PHP's responsibilities and concerns should be, etc.,
> it's going to be the classic struggle of trying to be everything for
> everybody all at once.
>
> Perhaps that issue really does need to be tackled head-on - and if a
> consensus can't be reached, maybe PHP should branch off, having one version
> (not necessarily a different codebase) for hobbyists, small sites and
> beginners, alongside a professional branch for production environments and
> developers who are willing and able to take off the training wheels and
> make use of more advanced features, stop relying on the engine to let them
> get away with bad habits, etc.
>
> The other classic problem is old-timers who get stuck in their ways and
> instantly reject the very notion of change because it will take them out of
> their comfort zone - and discourage newcomers who might oust them from
> their position of power. Perhaps there's a Machiavellian amongst us who can
> help out with that one.
>

Agree on all.
Especially on the last part, seems to me that I just hit that exact spot.
To me, as an observer mostly, something has to be done. Developers can't do
it all by themselves and I don't see that many people willing to step up
and do stuff. I'm not only proposing, but also willing to do my part - I'm
good with organizing stuff, coordinating and did my share of forum
moderation for years.

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