Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:69008 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 52245 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2013 13:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Sep 2013 13:54:28 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=arvids.godjuks@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=arvids.godjuks@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.217.175 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: arvids.godjuks@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.217.175 mail-lb0-f175.google.com Received: from [209.85.217.175] ([209.85.217.175:56325] helo=mail-lb0-f175.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id BE/E6-15730-31670325 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:54:28 -0400 Received: by mail-lb0-f175.google.com with SMTP id y6so7544374lbh.34 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:54:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=lhaOe9fAfm/3FL/u2hrAoyyGWMF5goIdK851wxmmoCI=; b=bD7v/cLm1VRENWHcM40+xaLMYCXMeg9aPfRYGHTQ9jR6KUR0Iikg3dbG3GbM7jRqkU nGDZceOK3/Ohmd0txUhwESdz5gxb6a3Fo17RYMQboGJ2EDgRlrMhvPE0+V4V8LHDv8/G 1gzg3pWzZJLqkUFf+fJgQ9/Q9F9enaEhSWLnQHXrzpa0C6xa6qufntsdZHt+b3Z655Fw u+s3sMNK88TbEmWrk5FV9Kl9oB7Fd47G7MoHcrEhICqgE6toTlLsFcYXzgnCxJC1drbI k1hSEB71c7PeF3fEKsRT1kkztyiKm1ARNBNjqzHujRi/fCCM9qHKnxH1TlaqmNlUZEBT +e8g== X-Received: by 10.112.156.74 with SMTP id wc10mr1363684lbb.44.1378907664353; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:54:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.11.135 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:54:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1378906606.3917.61.camel@guybrush> References: <1378903588.3917.54.camel@guybrush> <1378906606.3917.61.camel@guybrush> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:54:04 +0300 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Johannes_Schl=C3=BCter?= Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0122976c830edb04e61bf55e Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Wake up From: arvids.godjuks@gmail.com (Arvids Godjuks) --089e0122976c830edb04e61bf55e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2013/9/11 Johannes Schl=C3=BCter > On Wed, 2013-09-11 at 16:26 +0300, Arvids Godjuks wrote: > > > > > > P.S. While I was writing this, 4 people posted. Only Patrick Schaaf > > posted usefull information. If this would be a forum - those 3 posts > > should be marked as off topic and hidden by default. > > I read this as "I want a censor" > Does this summarize what you want? - I'm clearly objecting to this. > > I also don't agree with your other points and to keep the list silent I > won't further comment on that. > > johannes > > Censorship is wrong word here even by a long shot. What community needs is moderation. Now we have none here - anyone can derail any topic with ease if he puts his mind to it. Been there, witnessed first hand. Any big community needs moderation. Any big community needs a place where all the off topic, holy wars and stuff like that can be directed to without disturbing the peace. At least on the forum the topic started can aggregate the feedback and put it into the first message, add changes over time. I understand the negative moments about the forums, but that's the management part. Communities manage their forums far better than companies, it's just a matter of getting people involved, transparency and clear rules defined. --089e0122976c830edb04e61bf55e--