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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 15:00:33 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Wake up
From: axhm3a@gmail.com (Daniel Basten)

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cite: "I hope this is a joke."

i guess that is the stuff they where talking about.

greetings,

daniel


2013/9/11 Johannes Schl=FCter <johannes@schlueters.de>

> On Wed, 2013-09-11 at 13:59 +0300, Arvids Godjuks wrote:
> > It is based on the fact that there are too many people writing to
> internals
> > and mailing lists are not actually manageable at this level. I stopped
> > following all the stuff around a year ago, when I started to get like 1=
5
> to
> > 30 maillist threads in my inbox daily (hundreds of mails) and too much
> > noise.
>
> Get a better mail client and better mail filters.
>
> > So, I think, it's time to move to a forum.
>
> I hope this is a joke.
>
> >  Actual forum, that can be
> > managed, can have sections dedicated to certain stuff and has user
>
> We have multiple lists for different things.
>
> > management that allows to mute or actually ban people who are not able =
to
> > behave, troll and do other kind's of stupid stuff that disrupts the wor=
k.
>
> We can ban people and have done that twice or so. PHP is open. If people
> annoy you, you can filter them out.
>
> > Many devs are already just ignoring this mailing list, so what is the
> point
> > of having it if relevant people just don't read it?
>
> People read what they consider interesting and ignore other threads, and
> I assume this here will end in many ignores.
>
> > The list should remain of course, just to be used as a notification too=
l
> > for new important forum threads, RFC's, daily/weekly digest so that tho=
se
> > who have less time can still follow all the stuff in a compact manner.
>
> While loosing the structuring proper mail programs offer and having
> media breaks - switching between forums and mail.
>
> Just a simple examples what mail can do: I can write a mail to the list
> an CC the relevant maintainer to draw his attention and he can directly
> answer from there. Or I can xpost to bring a discussion from the "CVS"
> list, about some "bad" commit to internals. Mail is open, forums are
> locking in.
>
> I haven't seen any useful forum. If Google/Bing/duckduck send me to a
> forum it's always a pain to follow those completely unstructured
> discussions (mail has In-Reply-to headers allowing a proper client to
> sort/nest accordingly etc.)
>
>
> johannes
>
>
>
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